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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rath the Brown" data-source="post: 1432453" data-attributes="member: 9665">I'm going to have to disagree with most of what Thanee said.1. No, a leopard (or any other creature with rake) does not automatically get ANY rake attacks on a pounce; re-read the description (emphasis mine)It DOES matter; see above. The creature must be grappling before it can use rake to gain extra attacks. If the creature was not successful in establishing a hold, it does not gain rake attacks. Pounce just allows a creature to make rake attacks in the round that it started the grapple.Mostly true.3. NONE. To get more than your normal single attack, you must take a full-attack action.4. Two. Since the Rake ability states that a creature usually gets two attacks, and the leopard's description doesn't counter Rake's description, the leopard would get two.5. They are both right. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  The Improved Grab in the leopard description is telling you that once the free grapple attempt is successful, the creature is now grappling and can rake as normal per the rake description, which states that a creature cannot rake in the turn that the creature initiated the grapple. Pounce is the exception since it clearly states that a creature can use rake in the same turn.</blockquote>

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