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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jrowland" data-source="post: 6491137" data-attributes="member: 94389">I agree. I said the same thing. But, if one were interested in having the the rakshasa be immune to *some* ranged spell attacks but not all, in a reasonable way, what would one do? What method could one use to try and make an approximation that seems to make sense such that some ranged spell attacks (low "spell equivalent") were immune but others were not? I gave my preferred methodology as well as another.  It is. We agree. But I am not saying its equivalent in all ways, but only in the niche case where one WANTS to use Magic Immunity to prevent *some* Spell attacks and not prevent others. yes, DM fiat. Of course it is. But in conjuction with the above, DM fiat can be arbitrary and random or it can be systemic: Banning all elves from play in a campaign is DM fiat, but it is systemic and appropriate. Banning Joe from making an elf, then two weeks later letting lenny make an elf is DM fiat but arbitrary and random. We can agree its DM fiat, but still apply a systemic approach outside RAW. No, just this niche area that is outside RAW. The game is designed for PCs against monsters. Monsters are built differently than PCs. Monsters that cast spells have different rules for spellcasting (different progression table, spell lists, etc). Part of that has to do with balance, about the fact that PCs are the stars and Monsters have little table time. There are no RAW that deal with Monsters vs Monsters because its all in the purview of DM fiat. Yes, you can use the RAW to run a Monster vs Monster, but the game isn't designed for that. Thus, we will find more holes in such an undertaking than in PC vs Monsters.  Unless of course, by DM fiat, or table agreement, or mental exercise, you want  spell attacks to count as spells. Then you are outside of RAW. But more to the point Rakshasa's as an Ally of PCs is a bit outside of RAI if not RAW. Its not summoned. Its a member of the party. The OP is concerned because something seems out of whack. He could A) get rid of his narrative and the rakshasa (bad choice) b) "nerf" the Rakshasa's immunity c) Make BOLT applicable as per RAW d) Make BOLT applicable but use what I suggested or some other methodology d) Let the Rakshasa be immune to the BOLT. The whole scenario is in the DM fiat regime. Its about the DM-played rakshasa fighting the DM played Empyrean. Since that isn't written in the rules, ie RAW, isn't that outside RAW too? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> FWIW I agree.Of course it's not supported in the rules. Unless you want to hack the system, or "modify" it outside of RAW to suit your tables preferences. You know, kind of like what 5E is marketed as being friendly to do. I know you might think its BADWRONGFUN, and thank you for your opinion, but if someone WANTED to hack the game to make Rakshasa's immune to Spell Attacks (not spells), what would you propose: Wrong. You seem to think that I am suggesting BOLT = 7th level spells. I cannot be more clear: For the purposes of HACKING the RAW where one WANTS a RANGED SPELL ATTACK to fall under the purview of MAGIC IMMUNITY treating BOLT as a 7th spell for the PURPOSE (and only that purpose) as 7th level is a valid method, otherwise you NERF a lot of monsters in the MM. Why? RANGED SPELL ATTACKS are not SPELLS are not designed as such...making MAGIC IMMUNITY apply to them makes them too weak so as a counter you have to TREAT THEM AS DICE = SPELL LEVEL in that specific HACK to the SYSTEM. One could come up with all sorts of equivalents to suit their game, but as a FIRST APPROXIMATION a CR 23 MONSTER should be able to hit a CR 13 Monster in the HACK where MAGIC IMMUNITY applies to RANGED SPELL ATTACKS. DICE=SPELL LEVEL does that well enough without parsing every creature. It IS DM fiat, so adjust as it suits your game.Again. I agree. Its not a spell. It doesn't apply. But:That's the OP. His question was not "What is RAW" but what is magic equivalent. I answered THAT and subsequently outlined my reasoning in other postings. If you want to know equivalent spell level for purposes of magic immunity, I've outlined a simple way to determine that. I've stated explicitly it's a first approximation and not perfect, but it gets a DM started should they want to hack it. The RAW is clear and has been answered (but the question not asked).</blockquote>

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