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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6075652" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Given that the Grey Mouser almost never uses magic from day to day, merely for special occasions I'm going to have to disagree with you here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Two reasons.</p><p></p><p>1: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwN6IncWcjk" target="_blank">You use different techniques for facing a single target than for facing multiple</a>. It's entirely possible to be a superb duellist without AoE booms.</p><p>2: You simply aren't using the <em>D&D </em>magic system. Instead you're using something akin the the WFRP 2e magic system (and WFRP 2e is in no sense a storygame). Every time Gandalf casts a spell if he rolls a double (or worse a triple or quadruple) he catches Sauron's eye to a certain extent. Casting spells is both risky and can fail - but the Balrog's very presence gave Gandalf cover.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Both.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Gandalf could not exist in the same party as Frodo. Granted. But re-read Lord of the Rings. How long do they <em>actually</em> spend in the same party? Rivendell to Moria. And what's going on there according to the DM of the rings is we don't have one party, we have two.</p><p></p><p>The first party is the Hobbits. They all started at L1 (and are probably L3 by the end of Moria.) The second party is Aragorn/Gimli/Legolas/Boromir. And in DM of the Rings, each player has two characters - one in each party. Gandalf is the DMPC/exposition device and therefore has as little of the spotlight as possible and is taken out by a convenient plot mechanic (the Balrog). Work on the basis that it's two parties and a DMPC travelling together for a short distance and the whole thing works. And why Frodo carried the ring? Not just because he (and Sam) have both magic resistance and some pretty massive will saves, but because Frodo is the stealthiest member of the party. They gave the plot device to the person who both has the highest magic resistance and the highest stealth. (Pippin might have a higher stealth than Frodo but he has nothing like Frodo's will). Or: Plot device.</p><p></p><p>The undead army was an obvious quest reward tied to one PC (when they were down to three players) - I see nothing that requires a storygame for this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not needed. Now a storygame would make things <em>easier</em>. But once you have the idea that you need to get the ring to the volcano <em>by stealth</em>, everything else falls into place. With sidequests.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6075652, member: 87792"] Given that the Grey Mouser almost never uses magic from day to day, merely for special occasions I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Two reasons. 1: [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwN6IncWcjk"]You use different techniques for facing a single target than for facing multiple[/URL]. It's entirely possible to be a superb duellist without AoE booms. 2: You simply aren't using the [I]D&D [/I]magic system. Instead you're using something akin the the WFRP 2e magic system (and WFRP 2e is in no sense a storygame). Every time Gandalf casts a spell if he rolls a double (or worse a triple or quadruple) he catches Sauron's eye to a certain extent. Casting spells is both risky and can fail - but the Balrog's very presence gave Gandalf cover. Both. Gandalf could not exist in the same party as Frodo. Granted. But re-read Lord of the Rings. How long do they [I]actually[/I] spend in the same party? Rivendell to Moria. And what's going on there according to the DM of the rings is we don't have one party, we have two. The first party is the Hobbits. They all started at L1 (and are probably L3 by the end of Moria.) The second party is Aragorn/Gimli/Legolas/Boromir. And in DM of the Rings, each player has two characters - one in each party. Gandalf is the DMPC/exposition device and therefore has as little of the spotlight as possible and is taken out by a convenient plot mechanic (the Balrog). Work on the basis that it's two parties and a DMPC travelling together for a short distance and the whole thing works. And why Frodo carried the ring? Not just because he (and Sam) have both magic resistance and some pretty massive will saves, but because Frodo is the stealthiest member of the party. They gave the plot device to the person who both has the highest magic resistance and the highest stealth. (Pippin might have a higher stealth than Frodo but he has nothing like Frodo's will). Or: Plot device. The undead army was an obvious quest reward tied to one PC (when they were down to three players) - I see nothing that requires a storygame for this. Not needed. Now a storygame would make things [I]easier[/I]. But once you have the idea that you need to get the ring to the volcano [I]by stealth[/I], everything else falls into place. With sidequests. [/QUOTE]
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