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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4506220" data-attributes="member: 710">There seems to be little way out of this. But note that there is still a big difference in how classes feel - the difference is just... a different one then before. Role makes a big difference. But even that alone isn't it. Compare a Fighter to a Swordmage - the Fighter is constantly close to his enemies. A Swordmage tries to get away from them and forces them to follow him. A Fighter is better off if the enemies steers near to him, a Swordmage prefers the enemy keeping away. But this difference is a &quot;tactical&quot; one. It is not the same as having constant, but weak &quot;firepower&quot; and having strong, but rare firepower.I wonder if an interesting alternative solution wouldn't be to make all classes start as martial. There is no Wizard class. Instead, at higher levels, all characters get magical (arcane/divine?) abilities with daily (or other time-frame constrained) spells.Of course, this is also not a real solution to our problems. You remove the mechanical differentiation between equal level characters. At high levels, you introduce the &quot;fixed&quot; number of encounters/day again. Though you get more leverage, I think - you can run a single high level encounter or a lot of lower level encounters.). I suppose 4E might be actually a subset of this, setting the &quot;higher level&quot; for being a magic character (though sometimes, your magic is called &quot;martial&quot;) at 1st level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4506220, member: 710"] There seems to be little way out of this. But note that there is still a big difference in how classes feel - the difference is just... a different one then before. Role makes a big difference. But even that alone isn't it. Compare a Fighter to a Swordmage - the Fighter is constantly close to his enemies. A Swordmage tries to get away from them and forces them to follow him. A Fighter is better off if the enemies steers near to him, a Swordmage prefers the enemy keeping away. But this difference is a "tactical" one. It is not the same as having constant, but weak "firepower" and having strong, but rare firepower. I wonder if an interesting alternative solution wouldn't be to make all classes start as martial. There is no Wizard class. Instead, at higher levels, all characters get magical (arcane/divine?) abilities with daily (or other time-frame constrained) spells. Of course, this is also not a real solution to our problems. You remove the mechanical differentiation between equal level characters. At high levels, you introduce the "fixed" number of encounters/day again. Though you get more leverage, I think - you can run a single high level encounter or a lot of lower level encounters.). I suppose 4E might be actually a subset of this, setting the "higher level" for being a magic character (though sometimes, your magic is called "martial") at 1st level. [/QUOTE]

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