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<blockquote data-quote="cooperjer" data-source="post: 6968706" data-attributes="member: 6862150">What's is interesting is that some games are played on a grid and thus in increments of 5-ft.&nbsp; Some games are not played on a grid.&nbsp; If a weapon can be used to attack a creature that is at distance and the creature is at a distance of 5-ft then the weapon can be used against that creature.&nbsp; If that distance is 0-ft then it seems logical that the weapon cannot be used against that creature.&nbsp; By that logic a ranged weapon cannot be used to attack a swarm or elemental that occupies the same area as a PC.The text of the PH attempts to join the two different play styles, grid and non-grid, with one rule.&nbsp; Because of that, the rule can be misunderstood.In your original post you provide a diagram of what clearly gives disadvantage when attacking a creature at range; however, the position of the X monster only needs to be adjacent to the Hero.&nbsp; It does not need to be in between the Hero and the target.XH_______Y also provides disadvantage for the (H)ero to make a ranged attack at the monster Y.In my mind, I think of this as the monster X causing enough distraction / concern of bodily harm that the ranged attacker cannot get a good aim before firing a shot.&nbsp; I should state that I don't shoot any type of weapon so I really have no reference as to the difficulty of shooting.&nbsp; About the closest thing I can relate to this is bowling.&nbsp; I would say I'm at disadvantage in rolling a ball down the lane is there is another bowler within 5-ft of me also rolling a ball down the lane at the same time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cooperjer, post: 6968706, member: 6862150"] What's is interesting is that some games are played on a grid and thus in increments of 5-ft. Some games are not played on a grid. If a weapon can be used to attack a creature that is at distance and the creature is at a distance of 5-ft then the weapon can be used against that creature. If that distance is 0-ft then it seems logical that the weapon cannot be used against that creature. By that logic a ranged weapon cannot be used to attack a swarm or elemental that occupies the same area as a PC. The text of the PH attempts to join the two different play styles, grid and non-grid, with one rule. Because of that, the rule can be misunderstood. In your original post you provide a diagram of what clearly gives disadvantage when attacking a creature at range; however, the position of the X monster only needs to be adjacent to the Hero. It does not need to be in between the Hero and the target. XH_______Y also provides disadvantage for the (H)ero to make a ranged attack at the monster Y. In my mind, I think of this as the monster X causing enough distraction / concern of bodily harm that the ranged attacker cannot get a good aim before firing a shot. I should state that I don't shoot any type of weapon so I really have no reference as to the difficulty of shooting. About the closest thing I can relate to this is bowling. I would say I'm at disadvantage in rolling a ball down the lane is there is another bowler within 5-ft of me also rolling a ball down the lane at the same time. [/QUOTE]

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