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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9669943" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Exactly, so long as you can expect enough misses for the Sorcery points you have then seeking is the same damage addition as quicken without the bonus action requirement.&nbsp; At least while you have 2 beams.1.&nbsp; Web isn't a good DPR boosting tool, great control spell though.&nbsp; The enemy gets an initial save and then can attempt to escape, meaning if you even get advantage with it, you probably won't have it for long, especially if you are using it for it's full control potential (on a melee only enemy not engaged yet with the party).&nbsp; It takes your action to cast.&nbsp; It also means less sorcery points for quicken.&nbsp; Again, great spell, but at levels 1-10 that's more controller with low damage EB than ranged build with a bit of control.2.&nbsp; Cloud of Daggers I don't really understand at all.&nbsp; I guess the thought is you put it under an enemy, expect them not to move 30+ft away and then push them back into it.&nbsp; Doesn't seem very reliable IMO.&nbsp; Can work if your party has alot of forced movement, but not so great if the only forced movement is from your EB caster.3.&nbsp; Hypnotic Pattern heavily depends on how the DM plays it.&nbsp; It's usually either way OP or way underpowered.&nbsp; Enemies can always daisy chain each other awake, the only question is whether the DM will have them do so.&nbsp; And besides, Single Class Warlock or Sorcerer is going to do this better for most of the game than the Sorlock.4.&nbsp; Neither Grasp of Hadar nor Lance of Lethargy exist for the 2024 Warlock.In general I think you are giving up too much to try and push for these things and it makes your build compete more with control sorcerers than ranged characters, and that's a comparison all but the highest level sorlocks are going to be much worse at.I think if I wanted controller with EB for levels 1-10 then I'd just build straight warlock and avoid hex.*EB+AB by itself just isn't a good damage option in 2024.&nbsp; Every single martial can trounce it's damage from level 1-10, and most have some control options they can add in while doing that as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 9669943, member: 6795602"] Exactly, so long as you can expect enough misses for the Sorcery points you have then seeking is the same damage addition as quicken without the bonus action requirement. At least while you have 2 beams. 1. Web isn't a good DPR boosting tool, great control spell though. The enemy gets an initial save and then can attempt to escape, meaning if you even get advantage with it, you probably won't have it for long, especially if you are using it for it's full control potential (on a melee only enemy not engaged yet with the party). It takes your action to cast. It also means less sorcery points for quicken. Again, great spell, but at levels 1-10 that's more controller with low damage EB than ranged build with a bit of control. 2. Cloud of Daggers I don't really understand at all. I guess the thought is you put it under an enemy, expect them not to move 30+ft away and then push them back into it. Doesn't seem very reliable IMO. Can work if your party has alot of forced movement, but not so great if the only forced movement is from your EB caster. 3. Hypnotic Pattern heavily depends on how the DM plays it. It's usually either way OP or way underpowered. Enemies can always daisy chain each other awake, the only question is whether the DM will have them do so. And besides, Single Class Warlock or Sorcerer is going to do this better for most of the game than the Sorlock. 4. Neither Grasp of Hadar nor Lance of Lethargy exist for the 2024 Warlock. In general I think you are giving up too much to try and push for these things and it makes your build compete more with control sorcerers than ranged characters, and that's a comparison all but the highest level sorlocks are going to be much worse at. I think if I wanted controller with EB for levels 1-10 then I'd just build straight warlock and avoid hex. *EB+AB by itself just isn't a good damage option in 2024. Every single martial can trounce it's damage from level 1-10, and most have some control options they can add in while doing that as well. [/QUOTE]

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