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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5552733" data-attributes="member: 996">Defenders have all done that by drawing attacks to themselves.  Drawing attacks to a different ally, or simply giving the enemy attack penalties would seem to fall more over towards the controller role.  So, yeah, I guess I have to dispute it, a bit, because that's really just a not-very-good-controller. The Defender also provides the hps and bigger/more numerous surges, on top of the higher defenses, to further reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks.Yeah, that's a problem.  I'm thinking maybe his ward has to be active on him whenever it's up, rather than having separate rules for being within his own ward...?Some defenders to have quite potent secondary roles.  The Greatweapon Fighter, for instance, hits almost as hard as a striker, while having defender hps and defenses.  Heck, the Slayer crosses the line and has defender hps/defenses and is a full-on Striker.I'm currently trying to keep the Abjurer from playing Controller by linking it's class feature to smaller areas and lower damage with controller spells (any that's not abjuration).  If he doesn't use a spell that puts the Ward up, he has no defender toughness, at all.Nod.  The take I took with a ranged fighter was to make his mark-punishment useful at range, but not in melee. He's not vulnerable in melee, he even still marks, he just doesn't have the punishment to go with it, so less effective rather than vulnerable.  The Abjurer slides too easily into vulnerable, I think...</blockquote>

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