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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5172267" data-attributes="member: 59248"><p>chorulus, you need to read more carefully.</p><p></p><p>Nobody's arguing against OAs with ranged powers/weapons.</p><p></p><p>What we're arguing against (successfully) is OAs at range.</p><p></p><p>Nowhere in Seven Fates Archer does it say that, what would it say? Oh yes: "when a character provokes from adjacent opponents, it also provokes from you". Instead, it says:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, when SOMETHING ELSE lets you make an opportunity attack, you can make an RBA instead of an MBA, and it doesn't provoke (why doesn't it provoke? Because YOU ARE EXPECTED TO BE MAKING IT AT MELEE RANGE).</p><p></p><p>It's very rude to ignore what people actually say and instead take the answers you -want- to hear rather than the ones you're actually getting. There are "threatening reach" builds that increase melee reach to 3 or 4 for a few turns (enough) and control a huge area. There are ranged powers that let you make attacks out of turn, some of them dailies that let you do so for the entire encounter.</p><p></p><p>But no, as yet, there isn't any way to let you make OAs reliably with ranged powers -- the best I could see would be synergy between an eagle shaman and a beastmaster ranger with Beast Protector/Sharpshooter (and trap the enemy between the beast and the spirit, such that they can't get away without shifitng, and they don't want to attack the spirit (bounces off, does pitiful damage) or the beast (draws an OA).</p><p></p><p>The game is designed to avoid having someone do something like this without spending a daily for the privledge -- that's why all "make a ranged basic attack when..." effect powers are dailies or one round powers, and why all threatening reach powers are dailies or 1 round powers.</p><p></p><p>Also? Dagavenger doesn't work any more. Check out the update.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5172267, member: 59248"] chorulus, you need to read more carefully. Nobody's arguing against OAs with ranged powers/weapons. What we're arguing against (successfully) is OAs at range. Nowhere in Seven Fates Archer does it say that, what would it say? Oh yes: "when a character provokes from adjacent opponents, it also provokes from you". Instead, it says: So, when SOMETHING ELSE lets you make an opportunity attack, you can make an RBA instead of an MBA, and it doesn't provoke (why doesn't it provoke? Because YOU ARE EXPECTED TO BE MAKING IT AT MELEE RANGE). It's very rude to ignore what people actually say and instead take the answers you -want- to hear rather than the ones you're actually getting. There are "threatening reach" builds that increase melee reach to 3 or 4 for a few turns (enough) and control a huge area. There are ranged powers that let you make attacks out of turn, some of them dailies that let you do so for the entire encounter. But no, as yet, there isn't any way to let you make OAs reliably with ranged powers -- the best I could see would be synergy between an eagle shaman and a beastmaster ranger with Beast Protector/Sharpshooter (and trap the enemy between the beast and the spirit, such that they can't get away without shifitng, and they don't want to attack the spirit (bounces off, does pitiful damage) or the beast (draws an OA). The game is designed to avoid having someone do something like this without spending a daily for the privledge -- that's why all "make a ranged basic attack when..." effect powers are dailies or one round powers, and why all threatening reach powers are dailies or 1 round powers. Also? Dagavenger doesn't work any more. Check out the update. [/QUOTE]
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