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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5172543" data-attributes="member: 59248">They've been pushing exeception-based design on 4e -- which means not having a rule for everything.&nbsp; Instead, what they've tried to do with OAs is to have everything that grants OAs specify its range (and have extenders either reference Threatening Reach (which is misworded compared to later templating, but that's another matter) or use a &quot;when a creature within your melee reach provokes from adjacent enemies, it also provokes from you&quot; wording.&nbsp; Basically, the wording in threatening reach is a possible source of insight into intent, but certainly not a rule.I think we (aside from maybe Audiophile, and maybe Obryn) have reached consensus.&nbsp; RAS is incomplete (though it most certainly -does- have associated powers.&nbsp; The second benefit is: You can use Strength instead of Dexterity for attack rolls and damage rolls when using a power associated with this feat, with associated powers of <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=1537" target="_blank">Arrow of Vengeance</a>, <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=4416" target="_blank">Bloodlust Strike</a>: Only when used as a ranged attack<a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=1419" target="_blank">, Hawk's Talon</a>: Only when used as a ranged attack, <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=4450" target="_blank">Hobbling Shot</a>, <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=1549" target="_blank">Lightning Shot</a>, and <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=4389" target="_blank">Thwarting Shot</a>), and is either intended to have the target provoke from you (as you're the one who knocked it down and are waiting for it to get up) or all adjacent enemies.&nbsp; It's worth asking CS which is intended, just for giggles (and to maybe encourage Wizards to clarify it) but if one rules at the table that it provokes from you and you alone, that's a reasonable combo with a throwing seeker at 16th level.&nbsp; What are the other builds at the table?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5172543, member: 59248"] They've been pushing exeception-based design on 4e -- which means not having a rule for everything. Instead, what they've tried to do with OAs is to have everything that grants OAs specify its range (and have extenders either reference Threatening Reach (which is misworded compared to later templating, but that's another matter) or use a "when a creature within your melee reach provokes from adjacent enemies, it also provokes from you" wording. Basically, the wording in threatening reach is a possible source of insight into intent, but certainly not a rule. I think we (aside from maybe Audiophile, and maybe Obryn) have reached consensus. RAS is incomplete (though it most certainly -does- have associated powers. The second benefit is: You can use Strength instead of Dexterity for attack rolls and damage rolls when using a power associated with this feat, with associated powers of [URL="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=1537"]Arrow of Vengeance[/URL], [URL="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=4416"]Bloodlust Strike[/URL]: Only when used as a ranged attack[URL="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=1419"], Hawk's Talon[/URL]: Only when used as a ranged attack, [URL="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=4450"]Hobbling Shot[/URL], [URL="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=1549"]Lightning Shot[/URL], and [URL="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/power.aspx?id=4389"]Thwarting Shot[/URL]), and is either intended to have the target provoke from you (as you're the one who knocked it down and are waiting for it to get up) or all adjacent enemies. It's worth asking CS which is intended, just for giggles (and to maybe encourage Wizards to clarify it) but if one rules at the table that it provokes from you and you alone, that's a reasonable combo with a throwing seeker at 16th level. What are the other builds at the table? [/QUOTE]

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