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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7563292" data-attributes="member: 6801845">The main issue to me is the disparity of options.&nbsp; Unless you are a niche build, there's no reason to not be a dex build for most campaigns.&nbsp; If I have a 20 dex and standard studded leather + shield wielding a rapier I'm doing exactly as much melee damage as the strength based version, I don't take penalties for stealth, my dex save is far better, as is my initiative.&nbsp; Oh, and my ranged attacks are good as well.Strength based?&nbsp; Umm ... my AC is better when/if I can afford plate mail (up until then it's probably about even with the dex guy).&nbsp; By 5%.&nbsp; Yippee?&nbsp; Unless I've put significant points into dex, I suck at stealth, my dex save stinks, my initiative is awful.&nbsp; I'd probably be okay with that, but then my ranged attacks have one fifth the effective range and limited to one per round as well*.&nbsp; I guess I can grapple ... except I can't remember the last time that came up in a game over the past four decades or so I've played.&nbsp; I'm better at climbing, but the dex guy will probably just rely on this well oiled team I keep hearing about.So I should do a barbarian instead.&nbsp; Yep, big tough barbarian.&nbsp; Raar.&nbsp; Except do I really need to be big and tough?&nbsp; What if I just tanked dex and put everything int dex and con?&nbsp; Huh.&nbsp; My AC gets up as high as most fighters in full plate after a while.&nbsp; I don't get to be reckless and my damage is ever so slightly lower, but I could be a stealthy ninja barbarian firing death from the shadows.&nbsp; Strength based?&nbsp; I have to split between strength dex and con.&nbsp; If I want my barbarian to be charismatic or smart I'm SOL.In any case, reinforced bows bring things more or less in balance and don't hurt anything.&nbsp; That's my story and I'm sticking to it.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />* unless you spend every other round doing something other than attacking which somehow means I'm getting more attacks or something?&nbsp; Still confused by that one. </blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7563292, member: 6801845"] The main issue to me is the disparity of options. Unless you are a niche build, there's no reason to not be a dex build for most campaigns. If I have a 20 dex and standard studded leather + shield wielding a rapier I'm doing exactly as much melee damage as the strength based version, I don't take penalties for stealth, my dex save is far better, as is my initiative. Oh, and my ranged attacks are good as well. Strength based? Umm ... my AC is better when/if I can afford plate mail (up until then it's probably about even with the dex guy). By 5%. Yippee? Unless I've put significant points into dex, I suck at stealth, my dex save stinks, my initiative is awful. I'd probably be okay with that, but then my ranged attacks have one fifth the effective range and limited to one per round as well*. I guess I can grapple ... except I can't remember the last time that came up in a game over the past four decades or so I've played. I'm better at climbing, but the dex guy will probably just rely on this well oiled team I keep hearing about. So I should do a barbarian instead. Yep, big tough barbarian. Raar. Except do I really need to be big and tough? What if I just tanked dex and put everything int dex and con? Huh. My AC gets up as high as most fighters in full plate after a while. I don't get to be reckless and my damage is ever so slightly lower, but I could be a stealthy ninja barbarian firing death from the shadows. Strength based? I have to split between strength dex and con. If I want my barbarian to be charismatic or smart I'm SOL. In any case, reinforced bows bring things more or less in balance and don't hurt anything. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :p [I]* unless you spend every other round doing something other than attacking which somehow means I'm getting more attacks or something? Still confused by that one. [/I] [/QUOTE]

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