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<blockquote data-quote="s-dub" data-source="post: 4468510" data-attributes="member: 55957">To further expand:&nbsp;In melee if a rogue if an opponent is not flat-footed against a rogue the only two ways to get sneak attack damage would be to flank or to feint.&nbsp; (Unless the target in question is a barbarian, then you have a much harder time of it).&nbsp;Feinting at range is possible I believe with the right feat.&nbsp;Under no circumstances should you let a ranged character get sneak attack damage simply for being close.&nbsp; It's against the rules and unbalancing!&nbsp;Consider my 5th level human rogue - his attacks do 1d6 + 3 points of damage. (1d6 for shortbow, +1 magical composite shortbow, +2 str)&nbsp;He uses rapid-shot for 2 attacks per round and has a maximum damage of 20 excluding crits.&nbsp; This is within the norm for a 5th level character (in my campaigns at least).&nbsp;Now let's add in the 3D6 points of sneak attack that he shouldn't be getting every round.&nbsp;He uses rapidshot for 2 attacks per round and has a maximum damage of 38 excluding crits.&nbsp; This is almost double the damage than the expected value for a 5th level character.&nbsp;&nbsp;It will only get worse as the levels go up and he gets a bow of speed and extra attacks.&nbsp;20th level characters easily can hit with 3 or more attacks per round and a 20th level rogue gets 10D6 sneak attack per hit.&nbsp;Nip this in the bud!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="s-dub, post: 4468510, member: 55957"] To further expand: In melee if a rogue if an opponent is not flat-footed against a rogue the only two ways to get sneak attack damage would be to flank or to feint. (Unless the target in question is a barbarian, then you have a much harder time of it). Feinting at range is possible I believe with the right feat. Under no circumstances should you let a ranged character get sneak attack damage simply for being close. It's against the rules and unbalancing! Consider my 5th level human rogue - his attacks do 1d6 + 3 points of damage. (1d6 for shortbow, +1 magical composite shortbow, +2 str) He uses rapid-shot for 2 attacks per round and has a maximum damage of 20 excluding crits. This is within the norm for a 5th level character (in my campaigns at least). Now let's add in the 3D6 points of sneak attack that he shouldn't be getting every round. He uses rapidshot for 2 attacks per round and has a maximum damage of 38 excluding crits. This is almost double the damage than the expected value for a 5th level character. It will only get worse as the levels go up and he gets a bow of speed and extra attacks. 20th level characters easily can hit with 3 or more attacks per round and a 20th level rogue gets 10D6 sneak attack per hit. Nip this in the bud! [/QUOTE]

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