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<blockquote data-quote="Herzog" data-source="post: 4571635" data-attributes="member: 25696">Follow up:our DM has withdrawn his previous ruling, after re-examining the rules.I'm jumping back in here because of the recent reply by Mortekei, who seems to state that the ruling by the DM is not a houserule, but a legitimate applying of the RAW.(yes, I know this is the houserules forum. the discussion started out as a houserule question, but now I like to continue it as a rule discussion.)I disagree. Looking at the rules for sneak attack:andIn addition to the rules for flanking:`and finally, threatening:So, 1. the rogue needs to be flanking an opponent. (instead of, as stated before, the target needs to be flanked)2. ranged attacks count as sneak attacks while within 30 feet, in addition to all the other requirements for sneak attack.3. to flank an opponent, you need to threaten him4. You cannot threaten (ranged) with a ranged weapon.So, because you are trying to perform a ranged sneak attack, you need to be within 30 feet AND flank, which you cannot do, since you can't threaten with a ranged weapon and therefore can't flank with a ranged weapon.Of course, other circumstances can also lead to sneak-attack situations (like the rogue being invisible) and then the whole flanking issue can be skipped.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Herzog, post: 4571635, member: 25696"] Follow up: our DM has withdrawn his previous ruling, after re-examining the rules. I'm jumping back in here because of the recent reply by Mortekei, who seems to state that the ruling by the DM is not a houserule, but a legitimate applying of the RAW. (yes, I know this is the houserules forum. the discussion started out as a houserule question, but now I like to continue it as a rule discussion.) I disagree. Looking at the rules for sneak attack: and In addition to the rules for flanking: ` and finally, threatening: So, 1. the [B]rogue[/B] needs to be flanking an opponent. (instead of, as stated before, the target needs to be flanked) 2. ranged attacks count as sneak attacks while within 30 feet, in [B]addition [/B] to all the other requirements for sneak attack. 3. to flank an opponent, you need to threaten him 4. You cannot threaten (ranged) with a ranged weapon. So, because you are trying to perform a ranged sneak attack, you need to be within 30 feet AND flank, which you cannot do, since you can't threaten with a ranged weapon and therefore can't flank with a ranged weapon. Of course, other circumstances can also lead to sneak-attack situations (like the rogue being invisible) and then the whole flanking issue can be skipped. [/QUOTE]

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