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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 2602343" data-attributes="member: 23094">No, I don't dispute that part of the rule, and I apply it to exactly what it says it applies to: when making melee attacks in certain situations, you get a +2 bonus on your attack roll.What the rule doesn't say is whether or not &quot;certain situations&quot; can exist outside of the time period in which you are making a melee attack.For answers about that, we turn to the section on how to determine whether or not two beings are flanking a third - the line test.&nbsp; The line test paragraph mentions neither &quot;melee&quot; nor &quot;threaten.&quot;Accordingly, neither are important when it comes to determining whether or not someone is flanking someone else.And, back to you, by insisting on &quot;when making a melee attack,&quot; you've changed Formians into &quot;impossible to flank&quot; creatures and made the Elusive Target feat a lot less powerful - even if you don't realize you're doing it.If what you argue is true, this tactical maneuver is useless because I can only be flanked by one creature at a time (i.e., &quot;when he's making a melee attack&quot;).&nbsp; Accordingly, there's no other flanker to direct the first attack each round against.EDIT:Consider the case of an invisible attacker, striking someone with the Uncanny Dodge class ability.Is the attack still invisible?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 2602343, member: 23094"] No, I don't dispute that part of the rule, and I apply it to exactly what it says it applies to: when making melee attacks in certain situations, you get a +2 bonus on your attack roll. What the rule doesn't say is whether or not "certain situations" can exist outside of the time period in which you are making a melee attack. For answers about that, we turn to the section on how to determine whether or not two beings are flanking a third - the line test. The line test paragraph mentions neither "melee" nor "threaten." Accordingly, neither are important when it comes to determining whether or not someone is flanking someone else. And, back to you, by insisting on "when making a melee attack," you've changed Formians into "impossible to flank" creatures and made the Elusive Target feat a lot less powerful - even if you don't realize you're doing it. If what you argue is true, this tactical maneuver is useless because I can only be flanked by one creature at a time (i.e., "when he's making a melee attack"). Accordingly, there's no other flanker to direct the first attack each round against. EDIT: Consider the case of an invisible attacker, striking someone with the Uncanny Dodge class ability. Is the attack still invisible? [/QUOTE]

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