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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1897402" data-attributes="member: 1656">Well, no.&nbsp; If the duration says Instantaneous, it's instantaneous; if it says 1 min/level, it's not.And 'discharged' is a special term - see Dispel Evil, for an example.A Touch version of Ray of Enfeeblement neither discharges, nor is instantaneous.&nbsp; However, it's the range that invalidates it, still.&nbsp; It's neither Personal, nor a fixed range; it's Touch, instead, which is not valid.I was thinking, briefly, that it would be (as opposed to the normal Ray of Enfeeblement), but since neither are, my objection is moot <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Right <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; If you had a feat that gave Ray spells a fixed range (30 feet, instead of Close, for example), the Persistent Spell combo might be a problem.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1897402, member: 1656"] Well, no. If the duration says Instantaneous, it's instantaneous; if it says 1 min/level, it's not. And 'discharged' is a special term - see Dispel Evil, for an example. A Touch version of Ray of Enfeeblement neither discharges, nor is instantaneous. However, it's the [i]range[/i] that invalidates it, still. It's neither Personal, nor a fixed range; it's Touch, instead, which is not valid. I was thinking, briefly, that it would be (as opposed to the normal Ray of Enfeeblement), but since neither are, my objection is moot :) Right :) If you had a feat that gave Ray spells a fixed range (30 feet, instead of Close, for example), the Persistent Spell combo might be a problem. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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