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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 4847981" data-attributes="member: 5889">I definitely think the melee ranger isn't as good as the bow ranger. The main reason is such:1) Strength is weaker than Dex. Dexterity provides bonuses to INIT and AC compared to what strength can do...its generally a better stat.2) Low AC. Which brings up the next point. Melee rangers have terrible AC if they don't pick up Chain proficiency. In fact a houserule my group considered was dropping toughness as the melee ranger bonus feat and just given them chain proficiency as I can't see a ranger not taking it. However, even with chain they often have less AC than a bow ranger.3) Melee vs Ranged vs Bow Ranged: If everything else is equal ranged wins, and the bow ranger has a range no other class gets even close to competing with. A bow ranger can sit at 40 squares, throw a quarry on someone, and go to town. Rogues have to be smarter and sneakier to get their SA...and will likely get it less often.But its not just the offense. The range difference is so great monsters often simply can't hit the ranger. A rogue at 10 squares with his crossbow is open season for most ranged monster, a ranger at 20 is much harder to hit, and a ranger at 30 is generally out of range for almost all monsters.</blockquote>