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<blockquote data-quote="Dergon" data-source="post: 392137" data-attributes="member: 7897">Well-&nbsp; I've done a bit of work on the advancement of Barbarians and rangers to even their fighting abilities a bit.&nbsp; The still lag slightly behind fighters but make up for it with their other class abilities.&nbsp; Below is the chart I've proposed for advancement (but not yet game tested)BARBARIAN &amp; RANGER POWER UPGRADESLEVEL&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; RANGER&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BARBARIAN1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Ambidexterity, Two Weapon Fighting, Track&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rage 1/day, Fast Movement&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Favored Enemy2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Uncanny Dodge (flat)3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat *&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat**&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Spell use&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Rage 2/ day5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Second Favored Enemy&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Uncanny Dodge (flank)6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat**7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Rage 3/day, Controlled***9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat* /Improved two weapon#&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat**10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Third Favored Enemy&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Uncanny Dodge (trap)11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Damage Reduction (1)12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat**,Rage 4/day, no fatigue****13 etc&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; as PH + bonus feat every three levels* - Ranger Bonus Feats:The ranger may pick from the following list of feats as a bonus.&nbsp; Any feat that&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; requires Ambidexterity or Two-Weapon Fighting only applies if wearing light armor or none.&nbsp; &nbsp; Point Blank Shot, Far Shot, Rapid Shot, Shot on the Run, Mounted Combat, Mounted Archery, Ride-by-attack, Wild Rider, Main Gauche, twin weapon fighting, Fast Draw, Weapon Juggle, Trample, (others can be added as seen appropriate by the DM committee)&nbsp;** - Barbarian Bonus Feats:Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Sunder, Improved Bull Rush, Monkey Grip, Great Fortitude, Combat Fury, Extra Rage, Fast Mover, Fiery Rage, Improved Critical (others as appropriate)*** - Controlled Rage:&nbsp; A barbarian of 8th level or higher no longer suffers an AC penalty&nbsp; &nbsp; when raging.&nbsp; **** - No Fatigue: the barbarian no longer is winded after raging (this ability comes at&nbsp; &nbsp; 20th level in the original PH)# -&nbsp;&nbsp; Improved Two Weapon Fighting-&nbsp; Note-this is not a bonus feat, but the ranger has he &nbsp; &nbsp; OPTION to take it (see PH)OK-&nbsp; I just copied this from a word document and it didn't lay out all that well.&nbsp;&nbsp; But it's a start.&nbsp; I'm interested if people think this swings the pendulum too far in the other direction.&nbsp; Essentially the ranger and barabarian get a bonus feat every three levels as opposed to the fighters two.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dergon, post: 392137, member: 7897"] Well- I've done a bit of work on the advancement of Barbarians and rangers to even their fighting abilities a bit. The still lag slightly behind fighters but make up for it with their other class abilities. Below is the chart I've proposed for advancement (but not yet game tested) BARBARIAN & RANGER POWER UPGRADES LEVEL RANGER BARBARIAN 1 Ambidexterity, Two Weapon Fighting, Track Rage 1/day, Fast Movement Favored Enemy 2 Uncanny Dodge (flat) 3 Bonus Feat * Bonus Feat** 4 Spell use Rage 2/ day 5 Second Favored Enemy Uncanny Dodge (flank) 6 Bonus Feat* Bonus Feat** 7 8 Rage 3/day, Controlled*** 9 Bonus Feat* /Improved two weapon# Bonus Feat** 10 Third Favored Enemy Uncanny Dodge (trap) 11 Damage Reduction (1) 12 Bonus Feat* Bonus Feat**,Rage 4/day, no fatigue**** 13 etc as PH + bonus feat every three levels * - Ranger Bonus Feats: The ranger may pick from the following list of feats as a bonus. Any feat that requires Ambidexterity or Two-Weapon Fighting only applies if wearing light armor or none. Point Blank Shot, Far Shot, Rapid Shot, Shot on the Run, Mounted Combat, Mounted Archery, Ride-by-attack, Wild Rider, Main Gauche, twin weapon fighting, Fast Draw, Weapon Juggle, Trample, (others can be added as seen appropriate by the DM committee) ** - Barbarian Bonus Feats: Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Sunder, Improved Bull Rush, Monkey Grip, Great Fortitude, Combat Fury, Extra Rage, Fast Mover, Fiery Rage, Improved Critical (others as appropriate) *** - Controlled Rage: A barbarian of 8th level or higher no longer suffers an AC penalty when raging. **** - No Fatigue: the barbarian no longer is winded after raging (this ability comes at 20th level in the original PH) # - Improved Two Weapon Fighting- Note-this is not a bonus feat, but the ranger has he OPTION to take it (see PH) OK- I just copied this from a word document and it didn't lay out all that well. But it's a start. I'm interested if people think this swings the pendulum too far in the other direction. Essentially the ranger and barabarian get a bonus feat every three levels as opposed to the fighters two. [/QUOTE]

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