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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 6710739" data-attributes="member: 63508"><p>I think the part that really doomed the 1e or 3e style magic for the ranger was the "get first level magic at level 9" thing.</p><p></p><p>5th was designed to make 1st level magic weak and minor at level 10 or so in order to prevent a repeat of brokenness like in 3rd edition first level spells. So giving a ranger fist level spells would be basically doing nothing. Being anything less that a 1/2 caster is the same (meaning lame).</p><p></p><p>That's essentialy was the problem. The 9th through 11th level for a class is the second tier shift for each class in 5e edition. </p><p>In 1st and 2nd edition 9th-11th is where your character get a new (but weak) power (unless you are a wizard) and are nudged by the game to retire.</p><p>3rd edition sets it back later to the 11th-13th level. Sadly full casters tier-jump trumps all others. HARD.</p><p>4th edition was blatant. You actually switch tiers <em>formally</em> in the rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is why the UA rangers both a hard to judge. The first won't doesn't get anything spectacular and the second UA ranger only goes 5 levels.</p><p></p><p>That makes the choice really hard to make. The image for what the level 2 ranger, the level 5 ranger, level 11 ranger, and the level 17 ranger have to mesh seamlessly and match the setting around them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 6710739, member: 63508"] I think the part that really doomed the 1e or 3e style magic for the ranger was the "get first level magic at level 9" thing. 5th was designed to make 1st level magic weak and minor at level 10 or so in order to prevent a repeat of brokenness like in 3rd edition first level spells. So giving a ranger fist level spells would be basically doing nothing. Being anything less that a 1/2 caster is the same (meaning lame). That's essentialy was the problem. The 9th through 11th level for a class is the second tier shift for each class in 5e edition. In 1st and 2nd edition 9th-11th is where your character get a new (but weak) power (unless you are a wizard) and are nudged by the game to retire. 3rd edition sets it back later to the 11th-13th level. Sadly full casters tier-jump trumps all others. HARD. 4th edition was blatant. You actually switch tiers [i]formally[/i] in the rules. This is why the UA rangers both a hard to judge. The first won't doesn't get anything spectacular and the second UA ranger only goes 5 levels. That makes the choice really hard to make. The image for what the level 2 ranger, the level 5 ranger, level 11 ranger, and the level 17 ranger have to mesh seamlessly and match the setting around them. [/QUOTE]
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