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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dit464" data-source="post: 6823678" data-attributes="member: 6802825"><p>Yeah, I'd say this falls to the DM having mobs actively searching and rolling perception, sure rangers are really good at working the scouting role for a party but at that level your not "the stealthiest thing on two legs" even if you have optimized yourself to be so. And I agree with everyone when perception comes in mind, the PHB can be really vague or in some instances, some DMs take their pick of how mobs search. I saw someone comment on the ability to sneak from the terrain and that could come up but I havent seen too many instances where a party would have their ranger scout ahead when there isn't any places to really hide, traveling across a recently plowed cornfield that is 100 square miles in the middle of the day, is (barring invisibility) almost completely impossible and should be conveyed by the DM.</p></blockquote><p></p>