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<blockquote data-quote="MostlyDm" data-source="post: 6826709" data-attributes="member: 6788973"><p>The critical issue is that "successfully" in there, and how you are determining it.</p><p></p><p>I'm going to break this down a bit more to hopefully clarify why your method seems odd to me. </p><p></p><p>Jump in when you disagree. </p><p></p><p>We have Jonny Hawkeyes, a human rogue with expertise in Perception. He has +7 perception, passive perception 17. </p><p></p><p>We have Glor the goblin, with +4 to stealth checks. And we have Bractar the Bold, a dwarf in plate mail with a -1 to stealth checks. </p><p></p><p>Jonny is on sentry duty on a dark night. The DM determines that the darkness and foliage grant any interloper the obscurement necessary to attempt stealth. </p><p></p><p>If Glor tries to sneak in, he can roll a stealth check. Depending on how dark it is and what light sources Jonny has, the DM may or may not apply advantage or disadvantage mechanics. </p><p></p><p>If Bractar tries to sneak in... It goes exactly the same. Stealth check, possible disadvantage to Jonny and/or removing Bractar's disadvantage per DM ruling. </p><p></p><p>Glor is *much* more likely to succeed than Bractar. </p><p></p><p>Now, instead of sentry duty, Jonny is foraging in those same dark woods. </p><p></p><p>Your position is that Glor automatically succeeds, right? There is no uncertainty. </p><p></p><p>Does Bractar automatically succeed?</p><p></p><p>If not, then Bractar is demonstrably better at stealth when he is going up against sentries as opposed to distracted foragers. Certain failure vs likely failure. I think that's a huge problem. </p><p></p><p>If so (and I think this is the one you would choose) then we have a different problem. As soon as Jonny starts foraging, there is no different between Glor and Bractar. They both automatically succeed. Similarly, Jonny could be Blind Bob for all the good his situational awareness does him. </p><p></p><p>It levels everything out so that as soon as someone engages in a distracting actively, there is absolutely no distinction between observant and unobservant people, or between sneaky people and bumblers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MostlyDm, post: 6826709, member: 6788973"] The critical issue is that "successfully" in there, and how you are determining it. I'm going to break this down a bit more to hopefully clarify why your method seems odd to me. Jump in when you disagree. We have Jonny Hawkeyes, a human rogue with expertise in Perception. He has +7 perception, passive perception 17. We have Glor the goblin, with +4 to stealth checks. And we have Bractar the Bold, a dwarf in plate mail with a -1 to stealth checks. Jonny is on sentry duty on a dark night. The DM determines that the darkness and foliage grant any interloper the obscurement necessary to attempt stealth. If Glor tries to sneak in, he can roll a stealth check. Depending on how dark it is and what light sources Jonny has, the DM may or may not apply advantage or disadvantage mechanics. If Bractar tries to sneak in... It goes exactly the same. Stealth check, possible disadvantage to Jonny and/or removing Bractar's disadvantage per DM ruling. Glor is *much* more likely to succeed than Bractar. Now, instead of sentry duty, Jonny is foraging in those same dark woods. Your position is that Glor automatically succeeds, right? There is no uncertainty. Does Bractar automatically succeed? If not, then Bractar is demonstrably better at stealth when he is going up against sentries as opposed to distracted foragers. Certain failure vs likely failure. I think that's a huge problem. If so (and I think this is the one you would choose) then we have a different problem. As soon as Jonny starts foraging, there is no different between Glor and Bractar. They both automatically succeed. Similarly, Jonny could be Blind Bob for all the good his situational awareness does him. It levels everything out so that as soon as someone engages in a distracting actively, there is absolutely no distinction between observant and unobservant people, or between sneaky people and bumblers. [/QUOTE]
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