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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 2847319" data-attributes="member: 5100">Eh, but holding the view that a hearty border fighter should be able to take a sword-thrust just as well as a professional soldier isn't.&nbsp; Everything about the ranger archetype just screams that he's gonna be hard to wear down through torture, environment, accidents, traps, and pure attacks.&nbsp; There is really no speculative portion of the &quot;hit point&quot; score that a ranger shouldn't score as well on as a fighter.&nbsp; In many cases, the ranger should be obviously rated better.&nbsp; I can see the argument for giving the ranger a higher hit die than the fighter (not that I'm advocating that, just pointing to where I could see the gray), but there isn't one for giving them a lower hit die.If you want to give the fighter a d12 and say the class represents the tough-as-nails veteran that the warmain does, I might buy that.&nbsp; The ranger is still going to be in a different league than the cleric, druid, and scout.&nbsp; D10 for ranger makes just as much sense when you compare him to the other d8 classes as it does when you compare him to the other d10 classes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 2847319, member: 5100"] Eh, but holding the view that a hearty border fighter should be able to take a sword-thrust just as well as a professional soldier isn't. Everything about the ranger archetype just screams that he's gonna be hard to wear down through torture, environment, accidents, traps, and pure attacks. There is really no speculative portion of the "hit point" score that a ranger shouldn't score as well on as a fighter. In many cases, the ranger should be obviously rated better. I can see the argument for giving the ranger a higher hit die than the fighter (not that I'm advocating that, just pointing to where I could see the gray), but there isn't one for giving them a lower hit die. If you want to give the fighter a d12 and say the class represents the tough-as-nails veteran that the warmain does, I might buy that. The ranger is still going to be in a different league than the cleric, druid, and scout. D10 for ranger makes just as much sense when you compare him to the other d8 classes as it does when you compare him to the other d10 classes. [/QUOTE]

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