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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 3654245" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>Looks too strong to me. I don't much see the point of the one-weapon style, either, if it's basically two-weapon fighting with an empty hand instead of a second weapon. Also, it would seem to render the TWF style obsolete.</p><p></p><p>Ranger A wields a longsword in one hand and uses the one-weapon combat style. He is 6th-level with a Strength score of 18 and Weapon Focus. Ranger A makes a total of 4 attacks in the round, at +9/+7/+9/+7. The first two attacks deal 1d8+4 damage, and the next two attacks deal 1d8+2 damage.</p><p></p><p>Ranger B wields a longsword in his primary hand, and a short sword in his off-hand, in order to avoid the greater attack penalty for wielding two one-handed weapons. He has taken the two-weapon combat style, and is also 6th-level with a Strength score of 18, and has Weapon Focus in both blades (costing him 2 feats instead of 1, compared to Ranger A). Ranger B makes a total of 4 attacks in the round, at +9/+7/+9/+7. He deals 1d8+4 damage with the first two attacks, and 1d6+2 damage with the next two attacks. Less damage on the off-hand attacks and an extra feat spent.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Advantage: clearly Ranger A. Even moreso once he later gets Improved Critical, and when he's using a magic weapon, since all of his attacks will get the benefits of that magic weapon (without the double cost of an equally-powerful, magical, double weapon or a pair of equally-powerful magic weapons).</p><p></p><p>The only advantage that Ranger B could <em>possibly</em> get is through spending a feat on Two-Weapon Defense at some point, which is only +1 or +2 AC anyway, and not that great. Especially since Ranger A could wear a buckler on his other arm without penalty, and get that buckler enchanted at some point (Ranger B can't do so, since a buckler is useless if you attack with that arm, and it incurs a penalty on attacks with that arm IIRC).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, what he's sacrificing is some minor spells and a minor animal companion. However, the ranger <em>also</em> gets better hit dice, better tracking abilities, <strong>and</strong> <em>several</em> handy skill bonuses.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, the ranger no longer really needs good Wisdom to be fully effective; he's still very aware and good at tracking in his favored terrains, he has no spellcasting usage for Wisdom, and is tougher anyway even if he does get ambushed.</p><p></p><p>Replacing the spellcasting with Favored Terrains and maybe the extra tracking stuff could be fine by itself. Replacing the animal companion with d10 hit dice is probably too much. Might just exclude the Favored Terrains, going for d10 hit dice and minor tracking benefits as the tradeoff for no spells and no animal companion. I dunno.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 3654245, member: 13966"] Looks too strong to me. I don't much see the point of the one-weapon style, either, if it's basically two-weapon fighting with an empty hand instead of a second weapon. Also, it would seem to render the TWF style obsolete. Ranger A wields a longsword in one hand and uses the one-weapon combat style. He is 6th-level with a Strength score of 18 and Weapon Focus. Ranger A makes a total of 4 attacks in the round, at +9/+7/+9/+7. The first two attacks deal 1d8+4 damage, and the next two attacks deal 1d8+2 damage. Ranger B wields a longsword in his primary hand, and a short sword in his off-hand, in order to avoid the greater attack penalty for wielding two one-handed weapons. He has taken the two-weapon combat style, and is also 6th-level with a Strength score of 18, and has Weapon Focus in both blades (costing him 2 feats instead of 1, compared to Ranger A). Ranger B makes a total of 4 attacks in the round, at +9/+7/+9/+7. He deals 1d8+4 damage with the first two attacks, and 1d6+2 damage with the next two attacks. Less damage on the off-hand attacks and an extra feat spent. Advantage: clearly Ranger A. Even moreso once he later gets Improved Critical, and when he's using a magic weapon, since all of his attacks will get the benefits of that magic weapon (without the double cost of an equally-powerful, magical, double weapon or a pair of equally-powerful magic weapons). The only advantage that Ranger B could [I]possibly[/I] get is through spending a feat on Two-Weapon Defense at some point, which is only +1 or +2 AC anyway, and not that great. Especially since Ranger A could wear a buckler on his other arm without penalty, and get that buckler enchanted at some point (Ranger B can't do so, since a buckler is useless if you attack with that arm, and it incurs a penalty on attacks with that arm IIRC). Now, what he's sacrificing is some minor spells and a minor animal companion. However, the ranger [I]also[/I] gets better hit dice, better tracking abilities, [B]and[/B] [I]several[/I] handy skill bonuses. Furthermore, the ranger no longer really needs good Wisdom to be fully effective; he's still very aware and good at tracking in his favored terrains, he has no spellcasting usage for Wisdom, and is tougher anyway even if he does get ambushed. Replacing the spellcasting with Favored Terrains and maybe the extra tracking stuff could be fine by itself. Replacing the animal companion with d10 hit dice is probably too much. Might just exclude the Favored Terrains, going for d10 hit dice and minor tracking benefits as the tradeoff for no spells and no animal companion. I dunno. [/QUOTE]
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