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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4314072" data-attributes="member: 2525">The actual situation was in Keep on the Shadowfell.  The terrain in question included: 1) Boulders (concealment and possible cover), and 2) Heavy Foliage (cover for those attacking from or into the area).For both situations, I couldn't seem to make it work as cover/concealment for myself to get combat advantage from stealth and simultaneously not cover/concealment for my target.Now that didn't make it useless.  There were still two advantages I got from this tactic: A) I could negate the cover/concealment penalty with the combat advantage bonus, but my target often could not themselves make a stealth check successfully to gain combat advantage on me.  Which meant that if they chose to make a ranged attack against me, they still took the -2 from the concealment/cover I was in/behind; and B) Often the opponent couldn't get line of sight on me at all, since I was hidden by stealth in the new concealment/cover and their perception failed.  Sometimes they could have moved around to try and regain line of sight (since they knew roughly where I was) but almost every time the choice was just to attack someone they could actually see rather than try and pursue the guy who might be behind the rock outcropping or slinking through the heavy foliage.   Those are pretty big bonuses.  I was only targeted one time, and that was during the surprise round and I was out in the open.  For an archer Ranger in leather armor and relatively low Constitution, that was a pretty good thing.Nevertheless, it sure seemed like there should have been a way to get combat advantage through stealth without also granting my opponent cover/concealment in this scenario.  I could have tried to seek cover behind an ally, but that just didn't "feel" like an appropriate way to use this skill.  And due to bright sunlight, there were no real light conditions I could use, unless I could have talked my DM into shadows from boulders of foliage or something.</blockquote>

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