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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 6702941" data-attributes="member: 20323"><p>Some well-articulated thoughts Tom! I am going to disagree with your points however.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I actually think narratively, the "Trail" leading to the "Lodge" could make a lot of sense. Sure, it's not as explicit as "your Otherworldly Patron bestows a gift of a Pact Boon upon you for your loyal service", but it's still viable. I think of it as "you've been wandering these many years on the Trail, any it finally leads you to a realization about how you fit into the greater scheme of civilization and nature - a Lodge." The specific language needs work, but the <strong>idea</strong> has a lot of merit that jives with the theme of the ranger as a wanderer in search of something.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you have the same criticism of the warlock's Eldritch Invocations? If "no", could you explain why not? If "yes", then this is just a point of personal opinion (which is valid, of course, but not the same as a design critique).</p><p></p><p></p><p>That works for most classes, and I agree with you. However, historically in 1e and 3e (and to a lesser extent in 2e), the ranger was a hodgepodge class. 4e tried to focus it into a striker. But at its core concept it was meant to model a specific character from Tolkien's literature with a hodgepodge of abilities. Since then it's been expanded in multiple directions (arguably five main flavors that players desire). So it's a hodgepodge of an interpretation of an originally hodgepodge concept! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 6702941, member: 20323"] Some well-articulated thoughts Tom! I am going to disagree with your points however. I actually think narratively, the "Trail" leading to the "Lodge" could make a lot of sense. Sure, it's not as explicit as "your Otherworldly Patron bestows a gift of a Pact Boon upon you for your loyal service", but it's still viable. I think of it as "you've been wandering these many years on the Trail, any it finally leads you to a realization about how you fit into the greater scheme of civilization and nature - a Lodge." The specific language needs work, but the [b]idea[/b] has a lot of merit that jives with the theme of the ranger as a wanderer in search of something. Do you have the same criticism of the warlock's Eldritch Invocations? If "no", could you explain why not? If "yes", then this is just a point of personal opinion (which is valid, of course, but not the same as a design critique). That works for most classes, and I agree with you. However, historically in 1e and 3e (and to a lesser extent in 2e), the ranger was a hodgepodge class. 4e tried to focus it into a striker. But at its core concept it was meant to model a specific character from Tolkien's literature with a hodgepodge of abilities. Since then it's been expanded in multiple directions (arguably five main flavors that players desire). So it's a hodgepodge of an interpretation of an originally hodgepodge concept! :) [/QUOTE]
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