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<blockquote data-quote="Fisk" data-source="post: 30421" data-attributes="member: 2410">The question was not to get tic-tac with the 3/4 of the time issue.&nbsp; Some of the seasoned poster will nit pick the sentence for its deeper meaning long before I will.The question became one of…&nbsp; &nbsp; if the fighter is doing his standard attack..(play the generalities here--&nbsp; being the front line guy)&nbsp;&nbsp; and the Rogue is doing his standard attack (from the flank ) is there as great a difference as was implied by the poster who professed so adamantly that rogue must have all his attacks be eligible for the bonus because the rogues to BAB is so low?&nbsp; The bigger question at this point would be what is the Rogue's role is in an adventuring party.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think that all the other skills he brings add value to his presence other than being another &quot;fighter type specialist&quot;.&nbsp; It would appear that you would like the rogue to be more of an assassin.&nbsp;&nbsp; I say that because according to the original poster's post his players complained that the rogue was taking down creatures before the fighters could get in on the action.&nbsp; I say assassin, because while the rogue's targets don't have to make saving throws against death, they are subject to such a large amount of damage that I'm sure the victim wishes he would have had the opportunity for a saving throw. And if 3E is obviously so balanced why would you waste your time trying to point out the obvious.&nbsp; If it is as obvious as you claim, then we who can not yet see the obvious should be able to recognize how obviously it is balanced in a very short period of time.&nbsp; So why we thank you for you pointing out the obvious it should be obvious&nbsp; that we don't need you to.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fisk, post: 30421, member: 2410"] The question was not to get tic-tac with the 3/4 of the time issue. Some of the seasoned poster will nit pick the sentence for its deeper meaning long before I will. The question became one of… if the fighter is doing his standard attack..(play the generalities here-- being the front line guy) and the Rogue is doing his standard attack (from the flank ) is there as great a difference as was implied by the poster who professed so adamantly that rogue must have all his attacks be eligible for the bonus because the rogues to BAB is so low? The bigger question at this point would be what is the Rogue's role is in an adventuring party. I think that all the other skills he brings add value to his presence other than being another "fighter type specialist". It would appear that you would like the rogue to be more of an assassin. I say that because according to the original poster's post his players complained that the rogue was taking down creatures before the fighters could get in on the action. I say assassin, because while the rogue's targets don't have to make saving throws against death, they are subject to such a large amount of damage that I'm sure the victim wishes he would have had the opportunity for a saving throw. And if 3E is obviously so balanced why would you waste your time trying to point out the obvious. If it is as obvious as you claim, then we who can not yet see the obvious should be able to recognize how obviously it is balanced in a very short period of time. So why we thank you for you pointing out the obvious it should be obvious that we don't need you to. [/QUOTE]

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