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<blockquote data-quote="tiornys" data-source="post: 4816840" data-attributes="member: 17633">Here's some mathematical analysis of Twin Strike vs. a basic attack (which the other attacks are if you ignore the movement bonuses)H = chance to hitW = weapon damageA = ability damageS = other static damageQ = hunter's quarry damageA basic attack is easy to calculate.&nbsp; If you hit, you get all of your damage, and if you miss, you get none.&nbsp; So, it comes out to:H*(W+A+S+Q)Twin Strike is a bit more complicated.&nbsp; It has the following average damage per attack:H*(W+S)And you get to make that attack twice.&nbsp; You also get to add your quarry damage (Q), but you get that at most once per round.&nbsp; So, to add that part of the average damage in, we need to figure out the chance that you hit at least once.&nbsp; The total average damage for Twin Strike comes out as:2*(H*(W+S)) + (1-(1-H)^2)*(Q)Let's ignore quarry damage for a moment.&nbsp; That simplifies the equations to:basic attack vs. Twin StrikeH*(W+A+S) &lt;&gt; 2*(H*(W+S))A little algebra leads to the following:A &lt;&gt; W+SWhich tells us that if W+S &gt; A, then Twin Strike will average more damage.&nbsp; You said you had a Str modifier of 4, so if you're using Longswords, which average 4.5 damage per hit, then Twin Strike is better even if you have no other bonuses to damage.&nbsp; Add in something like Weapon Focus or an enhancement bonus, and Twin Strike gains.&nbsp; Adding in your quarry damage also favors Twin Strike, since you're more likely to hit at least once with two attacks.Now, if you happen to be using different weapons, the W in the final equation is your offhand weapon.&nbsp; If it's a shortsword, say, then right now Twin Strike is slightly worse than a basic attack if you don't have the target quarried (3.5 &lt; 4), but as soon as you get at least 1 point of static damage modifier, that will stop being true (if you have the target quarried, the added chance at the bonus damage also makes Twin Strike better).That help?t~edit: like Blackbrrd, I also ignored criticals, but as he says, criticals favor Twin Strike as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tiornys, post: 4816840, member: 17633"] Here's some mathematical analysis of Twin Strike vs. a basic attack (which the other attacks are if you ignore the movement bonuses) H = chance to hit W = weapon damage A = ability damage S = other static damage Q = hunter's quarry damage A basic attack is easy to calculate. If you hit, you get all of your damage, and if you miss, you get none. So, it comes out to: H*(W+A+S+Q) Twin Strike is a bit more complicated. It has the following average damage per attack: H*(W+S) And you get to make that attack twice. You also get to add your quarry damage (Q), but you get that at most once per round. So, to add that part of the average damage in, we need to figure out the chance that you hit at least once. The total average damage for Twin Strike comes out as: 2*(H*(W+S)) + (1-(1-H)^2)*(Q) Let's ignore quarry damage for a moment. That simplifies the equations to: basic attack vs. Twin Strike H*(W+A+S) <> 2*(H*(W+S)) A little algebra leads to the following: A <> W+S Which tells us that if W+S > A, then Twin Strike will average more damage. You said you had a Str modifier of 4, so if you're using Longswords, which average 4.5 damage per hit, then Twin Strike is better even if you have no other bonuses to damage. Add in something like Weapon Focus or an enhancement bonus, and Twin Strike gains. Adding in your quarry damage also favors Twin Strike, since you're more likely to hit at least once with two attacks. Now, if you happen to be using different weapons, the W in the final equation is your offhand weapon. If it's a shortsword, say, then right now Twin Strike is slightly worse than a basic attack if you don't have the target quarried (3.5 < 4), but as soon as you get at least 1 point of static damage modifier, that will stop being true (if you have the target quarried, the added chance at the bonus damage also makes Twin Strike better). That help? t~ edit: like Blackbrrd, I also ignored criticals, but as he says, criticals favor Twin Strike as well. [/QUOTE]

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