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Message: <blockquote data-quote="daddystabz" data-source="post: 4269621" data-attributes="member: 54231">I found these 2 ranger melee bad ass builds on other threads and am trying to pick which one I want to try.  I am asking you all 4e experts to look at the 2 and tell me which build you think is superior/more effective and why.Build 1) I saw this very nice 4e ranger build in another thread a few days ago:"I like melee characters, and after looking over my books I came up with a pretty solid build that kicks butt as a striker but is as solid in defense as a defender, all while having more than a few tricks up its sleeve.The core synergy is the ranger’s use of the Wisdom ability. It powers the ranger’s flashier moves, contributing to shifts, pushes, and various bonuses. Couple that with Pit Fighter, which has a 16th level feature that lets you add Wis to weapon damage, and you wind up with a heavy-hitting fellow that’s also light on his feet. And then add in the fact that many ranger powers let you make two attacks (effectively doubling the bonus from Pit Fighter), and you’ve got a ginsu-that-walks. This build is up to 16th level. For future levels, keep bumping Wisdom and Strength. The 21st level bump will increment Con to 17, unlocking Axe Mastery (crit with axes on 19-20), which is good because at that level this guy’s crits would do an additional + 4d10 damage (on top of magic bonuses). With so many of his attack powers allowing two or more attack rolls, he’ll crit often. So here he is: Irongorn, the heavy ranger. Human RangerParagon path: PitfighterStats at 1st level:Str 18Con 14Dex 11Int 10Wis 15Cha 8Stats at 16th level:Str 22Con 16Dex 12Int 11Wis 18Cha 9Skills: Athletics, Dungeoneering, Endurance, Heal, Nature, Perception (human bonus), Streetwise (fighter skill) FeatsRanger bonus: ToughnessHuman bonus: Chainmail1st level: Scalemail2nd level: Platemail4th level: Two Weapon Fighting6th level: Two Weapon Defense8th level: Lethal Hunter10th level: Fighter multiclass11th level: Combat Anticipation12th level: Weapon Focus: Battleaxe14th level: Deadly Axe16th level: Devastating CriticalEssential EquipmentPlate mail, two battleaxes (I’d go with a Terror axe for the primary and Lightning for the secondary, but for simplicity, we’ll assume all gear is basic and nonmagical)Basic attack: Battleaxe, + 16, 1d10 + 13 (+ 8 level, +6 Str, +2 proficiency attack; + 6 Str, +4 Wis, +1 TWF, +2 Weapon Focus damage)Crit: 23 damage + 3d10+2d8 damage if hunter’s quarryThat’s a damage range of 14-23 on a single 1[w] attack, or 16-39 if the target is the quarry. The thing is, most every ranger attack power allows for more than one attack, and some do 2[w] or more per hit.DefensesAC 28 (10 base, +8 level, +8 armor, +1 TWD, +1 Pit Fighter armor optimization)Fort: 26 (10 base, +8 level, +1 class, +6 str, +1 human)Reflex: 22 (10 base, +8 level, +1 class, + 1 Dex, +1 TWD, +1 human)Will: 23 (10 base, +8 level bonus, + 4 Wis, +1 human)All defenses +1 vs anything except Melee attacks (Combat Anticipation)PowersAt will:Careful Attack (human bonus)Nimble StrikeTwin StrikeEncounter: P: All Bets Are Off (2[w], and make secondary attack)13: Armor Splinter (two attacks, 1 [w] each. If one attack hits, target takes penalty to AC = Wis bonus. If both hit, it’s worse)7: Sweeping Whirlwind (close burst 1, target all enemies in burst. 1[w], and push = Wis mod and knock prone)3: Disruptive Strike (interrupt when you or ally attacked, 1[w] and target takes penalty to attack roll = 3 + Wis mod)Daily:15: Blade Cascade (keep rolling attacks until you roll a miss. 2[w] per attack)9: Attacks on the Run (move and make two attacks, 3[w] per attack)5: Two-Wolf Pounce (two attacks, then shift 2 and make third attack)Utility:P: Deadly Payback (reaction when damaged; gain +2 to attacks and damage vs opponent that damaged you until end of next turn)16: Evade the Blow (interrupt when hit; shift 1)10: Open the Range (interrupt when enemy moves adjacent; shift 1, then move = 1 + wis mod)6: Weave through the Fray (interrupt when enemy moves adjacent; shift = wis mod)2: Yield Ground (reaction when hit; shift = wis mod, and gain +2 to all defenses until end of next turn)Paragon Action Point bonus: Extra Damage Action. When you spend an action point to take an extra action, add 1/2 level to the damage dealt by any of your standard action attacks this turn. The synergies are great. The ideal scenario is to get attacked with an AoE that does half damage on a miss. Interrupt with Disruptive Strike, dealing damage and causing the attack to miss (but still do damage). That triggers Deadly Payback as a reaction. On your turn, begin by spending an action point to attack with Armor Splinter (with the +2 bonus from Deadly Payback, one attack is likely to hit) causing at least a 4 point penalty to armor class--remember to add 1/2 your level to the damage of each attack thanks to Extra Damage Action. Then for your normal standard action, finish the poor guy off with Blade Cascade. The bonus from Deadly Payback is still there, but now the target also has a penalty to AC. You can keep rolling attacks until you finally roll a miss, and since it’s all still the same turn you keep the damage bonuses from both Deadly Payback and from Extra Damage Action: a total of +10 damage. Since Blade Cascade is a 2[w] attack, each attack does 2d10+ 13 + 10 damage (a spread of 25-43 per hit, not counting magic weapons or criticals, or the +2d8 to the first attack from hunter's quarry). Ouch."Build 2) Here you go. This is how I would build it, at the moment. You don't get all the heavy armor feats and you end up wielding two scimitars.  I lean toward feats that increase offense before defense and this build reflects that.To use the combo AlienFromBeyond suggests you have to invest in Dex and there are quite a few useful blade feats, so in the end I stripped out most of the heavy armor feats. The one I did leave in, is taken late in Paragon when you're more likely to find chainmail that's actually better than Hide + Dex.Race: ElfClass: Ranger (Two-Blade)Paragon Path: Pit FighterEpic Destiny: DemigodDivine Spark (21st level) - Str and Wis, naturally.Stats (Method 2)Str 16Con 13Dex 14 (+2 racial)Int 10Wis 14 (+2 racial)Cha 8*Must put 1 point into Dex before level 21.FeatsClass Bonus: Toughness1st Weapon Focus (Heavy Blade)2nd Two-Weapon Fighting4th Lethal Hunter6th Blade Opportunist8th Two-Weapon Defense10th Student of the Sword (Endurance)----11th Heavy Blade Opportunity12th Scimitar Dance14th Blood Thirst16th Devastating Critical18th Armor Proficiency (Chainmail)20th Combat Anticipation----21th Two-Weapon Flurry22th Heavy Blade Mastery24th Triumphant Attack26th Blind-Fight28th Epic Resurgence30th Flanking ManeuverPowersAt Will1st Hit and Run1st Twin StrikeEncounterRacial: Elven Accuracy1st Evasive Strike3rd Thundertusk Boar Strike7th Sweeping Whirlwind (Retrain: Thundertusk Boar Strike -> Cut and Run)11th Paragon: All Bets Are OffReplacements13th Evasive Strike -> Armor Splinter17th Cut and Run -> Two-Weapon Eviscerate23th Two-Weapon Eviscerate -> Cloak of Thorns27th Sweeping Whirlwind -> Wandering TornadoDaily1st Jaws of the Wolf5th Two-Wolf Pounce9th Attacks on the Run20th Paragon: Lion of BattleReplacements15th Jaws of the Wolf -> Blade Cascade19th Two-Wolf Pounce -> Cruel Cage of Steel25th Nothing this level. Attacks on the Run is better than Bloodstorm any day.29th I think I'll pass again. Here's hoping for better high level dailies.Utility2nd Unbalancing Parry6th Weave through the Fray10th Expeditious Stride12th Paragon: Deadly Payback16th Momentary Respite22nd Master of the Hunt26th Epic: Divine RegenerationWho wins?!!?!?!?</blockquote>

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