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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lunasmeow" data-source="post: 6432770" data-attributes="member: 6785478">Rangers bother me, for several reasons. I remember the 1st edition games where rangers (archers) sucked. They were *horrible*. So I agree that they needed something to give them some extra oomph to make them playable as characters. But the things they were given... Oh, and please if you have a counter point, argue one point separately from another. Invalidating one, does not invalidate the rest. Each point stands on it's own merit.1. Arcane spells. Limited, true. But the whole theory behind arcane magic is that wizards need lots of time and effort dedicating themselves to their craft to gain them. Why should a ranger have them? They are usually hunters. If anything I could see them *maybe* gaining limited *druid* spells, considering they tend to live with nature, and so may have learned some tricks. But mage spells? There's not even remotely a connection. It feels to me that this was just something given to buff up a weak class before there were druids to make them balanced with the other, stronger classes. Then, when there were druids, they just failed to make the change because rangers were already balanced strength-wise.2. Summon nature's ally. Even beyond the rest of the wizard spells they get that I disagree with, this one stands out as particularly wrong. Rangers are *hunters* if they aren't adventurers. You mean to tell me, that these guys who go out killing nature's animals, are suddenly nature's best friend? Then... they don't even need to hunt because why not just *summon* a deer to shoot? Or a bear? Summon one, have him walk into a cage, then close it and just pot shot him to death for his pelt and meat. This is ridiculous. Animals aren't going to come help the very thing that hunts them!3. Favored enemy. Why is this specifically a ranger thing? If I'm a fighter, and my home village was destroyed weres, I would have spent my entire life training to fight them, and should get some kind of bonus against them because I've honed my skills *specifically* to destroy them. Why can't I? It makes no sense. A favored enemy should be a favored enemy for a *reason* not just oh you what, today I leveled up and I decided that I hate mindflayers. Even though I've never fought one, seen one, remotely interacted with one in any way, or even have three degrees of separation with one, I suddenly am awesome in all things against these guys. Why? Because I'm a ranger.</blockquote>

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