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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 5826975" data-attributes="member: 32164"><p>Just to give some support for not insisting on archer rangers, I'd like to point out that Faramir's Rangers of Ithilien in <em>The Lord of the Rings</em> didn't all use bows. Many did, yes, but some carried spears instead. Although all of them had swords.</p><p></p><p>I think the key to keeping the ranger distinctive is to remember that rangers are survivors of the wilderness. They carry weapons, and swords are often needed in a world as perilous as that of <em>Dungeons & Dragons</em>, but at least some of their weapons should be those which are useful for hunting as well as fighting - such as spears, or bows.</p><p></p><p>I'd like to see rangers who mostly use lighter armor - leather, studded leather, hide, ringmail, MAYBE chain or scale. But the heavier armors, like plate and splint (and shields) don't really seem appropriate.</p><p></p><p>Rangers should have skill in herbalism, tracking, stealth, observation and woodcraft. I also think that having them be skilled in skirmishing and ambush tactics makes sense.</p><p></p><p>This is not to say that a fighter (or warlord) can't possess some of these skills. In fact, I think that with the right combination of choices, it might be hard to tell a fighter or a warlord from a ranger or a ranger from a rogue at first glance. And frankly, there's nothing wrong with that.</p><p></p><p>Now, the greatest weaponmasters should be fighters, the greatest woodsmen are probably rangers, and nobody sneaks (and ambushes) quite like a rogue. And that's as it should be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 5826975, member: 32164"] Just to give some support for not insisting on archer rangers, I'd like to point out that Faramir's Rangers of Ithilien in [I]The Lord of the Rings[/I] didn't all use bows. Many did, yes, but some carried spears instead. Although all of them had swords. I think the key to keeping the ranger distinctive is to remember that rangers are survivors of the wilderness. They carry weapons, and swords are often needed in a world as perilous as that of [I]Dungeons & Dragons[/I], but at least some of their weapons should be those which are useful for hunting as well as fighting - such as spears, or bows. I'd like to see rangers who mostly use lighter armor - leather, studded leather, hide, ringmail, MAYBE chain or scale. But the heavier armors, like plate and splint (and shields) don't really seem appropriate. Rangers should have skill in herbalism, tracking, stealth, observation and woodcraft. I also think that having them be skilled in skirmishing and ambush tactics makes sense. This is not to say that a fighter (or warlord) can't possess some of these skills. In fact, I think that with the right combination of choices, it might be hard to tell a fighter or a warlord from a ranger or a ranger from a rogue at first glance. And frankly, there's nothing wrong with that. Now, the greatest weaponmasters should be fighters, the greatest woodsmen are probably rangers, and nobody sneaks (and ambushes) quite like a rogue. And that's as it should be. [/QUOTE]
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