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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 586992" data-attributes="member: 114">Au contraire, in my experience no ranger ever takes more than wilderness lore 5 ranks, because there is no point... the tracking comes up so rarely that it is hardly worth it (and I've never seen a module with a track DC greater than 20...). 5 ranks is enough to take 10 with to be fine at avoiding danger, etc.Again I disagree with you here. Even with 6 skill points (which I advocate) the ranger doesn't trample on the rogues skills and abilities - since the ranger can't get disable device, search for traps (meaningfully), pick pockets, bluff, diplome, use magic device etc. etc. etc. The only overlap is on the scouting stuff and what's the problem with that? The rogue still has a boatload of other stuff to be proud of that nobody else can do!</blockquote>