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<blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 590078" data-attributes="member: 1190"><p><strong>Re: We're not?!?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The issue is not whether or not the PC's are heroes. The issue is that authors do not have to worry about a handy little thing called game balance. While original AD&D may have been based loosely on Tolkien's books, they were altered to try to create some balance between them.</p><p></p><p>Case in point, though slighlty off topic, are wizards in LotR. They are, plain and simple, demigods. Any person could be completely squished by a wizard willing to take the time to do it. Heck, even a large group of people. Wizards in D&D are not quite so strong. An even level character even has a chance of surviving them. LotR wizards show no indications of spell preparation or even of spellbooks (an idea taken from Vance thus making suspect the idea that the sole source of D&D is Tolkien).</p><p></p><p>A ranger designed to do everything that Aragorn could would not be balanced with other characters anymore that a wizard able to do all the things that Gandalf was rumored to be able to do would be.</p><p></p><p>And the core part of my comment actually related to the fact that Aragorn has elven blood and anyone with elven blood in LotR is automatically quite exceptional. LotR elves are a race completely out of balance with every other race and anyone who shares their blood gains a portion of that. I would not feel comfortable attempting to attribute any of Aragorns abilities to any one area. Any of them could be from his childhood with and bloodline of the elves, his Kinghood, his ranger training, his magical items (which abound in LotR), or as a mere plot device that Tolkien used to deal with a particular quandary which he never needed to worry about in the long run because he would never have to worry about Aragorn doing something that he didn't want him to do.</p><p></p><p>JMHO,</p><p>DC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DreamChaser, post: 590078, member: 1190"] [b]Re: We're not?!?[/b] The issue is not whether or not the PC's are heroes. The issue is that authors do not have to worry about a handy little thing called game balance. While original AD&D may have been based loosely on Tolkien's books, they were altered to try to create some balance between them. Case in point, though slighlty off topic, are wizards in LotR. They are, plain and simple, demigods. Any person could be completely squished by a wizard willing to take the time to do it. Heck, even a large group of people. Wizards in D&D are not quite so strong. An even level character even has a chance of surviving them. LotR wizards show no indications of spell preparation or even of spellbooks (an idea taken from Vance thus making suspect the idea that the sole source of D&D is Tolkien). A ranger designed to do everything that Aragorn could would not be balanced with other characters anymore that a wizard able to do all the things that Gandalf was rumored to be able to do would be. And the core part of my comment actually related to the fact that Aragorn has elven blood and anyone with elven blood in LotR is automatically quite exceptional. LotR elves are a race completely out of balance with every other race and anyone who shares their blood gains a portion of that. I would not feel comfortable attempting to attribute any of Aragorns abilities to any one area. Any of them could be from his childhood with and bloodline of the elves, his Kinghood, his ranger training, his magical items (which abound in LotR), or as a mere plot device that Tolkien used to deal with a particular quandary which he never needed to worry about in the long run because he would never have to worry about Aragorn doing something that he didn't want him to do. JMHO, DC [/QUOTE]
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