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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 2530239" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>The Rules of the Game articles are, frankly, useless in any serious discussion of the RAW.</p><p></p><p>I wish it were not so, but there it is.</p><p></p><p>For the record, scrolls are a subset of spell completion items. They are the most common, and the only example in the PHB, but they are by no means the entirety of spell completion items.</p><p></p><p>So, when discussing scrolls, we go to the section of the rules that deal with scrolls, not the one that discusses generic SC items.</p><p></p><p>The rules on scrolls state:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The scroll is a divine scroll of Barkskin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Barksin is present on the Ranger's spell list</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Presumably, the character has a Wisdom score of 12 or better (required to cast Ranger 2 spells)</li> </ol><p></p><p>Therefore, the ranger meets all the requirements noted above. We then check the caster level of the scroll and compare it to the character's caster level. The ranger has a CL of 3. The scroll has a CL of 3. Therefore, "her caster level is at least equal to the spell’s caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check."</p><p></p><p>Moreover, even if you didn't think it should work this way, keep reading. The DC to make the CL check to activate the scroll is "scroll’s caster level + 1." For a CL 3 scroll, that's a DC of 4.</p><p></p><p>What's the minimum result a Ranger 6 can achieve on the roll to activate the scroll? A roll of 1 + her CL, the total of which is, oddly enough, 4. <strong>The Ranger cannot fail the CL check to activate the scroll.</strong></p><p></p><p>Ergo, it doesn't matter which way you want to word your thoughts, the Ranger can cast the scroll without incident. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 2530239, member: 23094"] The Rules of the Game articles are, frankly, useless in any serious discussion of the RAW. I wish it were not so, but there it is. For the record, scrolls are a subset of spell completion items. They are the most common, and the only example in the PHB, but they are by no means the entirety of spell completion items. So, when discussing scrolls, we go to the section of the rules that deal with scrolls, not the one that discusses generic SC items. The rules on scrolls state: [list=1] [*]The scroll is a divine scroll of Barkskin [*]Barksin is present on the Ranger's spell list [*]Presumably, the character has a Wisdom score of 12 or better (required to cast Ranger 2 spells)[/list] Therefore, the ranger meets all the requirements noted above. We then check the caster level of the scroll and compare it to the character's caster level. The ranger has a CL of 3. The scroll has a CL of 3. Therefore, "her caster level is at least equal to the spell’s caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check." Moreover, even if you didn't think it should work this way, keep reading. The DC to make the CL check to activate the scroll is "scroll’s caster level + 1." For a CL 3 scroll, that's a DC of 4. What's the minimum result a Ranger 6 can achieve on the roll to activate the scroll? A roll of 1 + her CL, the total of which is, oddly enough, 4. [b]The Ranger cannot fail the CL check to activate the scroll.[/b] Ergo, it doesn't matter which way you want to word your thoughts, the Ranger can cast the scroll without incident. :) [/QUOTE]
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