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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 9684585" data-attributes="member: 6799660">Here is my hot take (for a theoretical game re-work): make stats matter less. At least to your class's main task resolution (combat to-hit and damage, spell to-hit or save DC). The primary determiner of your main class tasks should be your class and level, full stop.Attributes should handle minutia and specifics -- encumbrance and skills and maybe saves -- and hopefully some new features that make being a strong wizard or guile-full fighter useful.This way you can have a really smart wizard or a really dumb one (outside of a few 'I chose no spells with a save or to-hit' style builds, which only works for some classes). You can have dexterous wizards and smart fighters and charismatic clerics (and the contrapositives of all this) and it matter. Moreover, people will actually do it (outside of very specific builds or no-consequences campaigns), since either way you can still fight as a fighter and cast as a caster.I'd argue that we saw the start of the thing in 3e. Finesse-weapon fighting did retain concern for Strength in the damage total, but not the same as (the previous example of) playing a bow fighter in 1/2/3e since you would be using it on builds where you'd be hunting for a bunch of per-attack damage boosters like 3e sneak attack anyway. Depending on how far we stretch the concept, all those classes and prestige classes that gave you +another attribute mod to AC also qualifies.</blockquote>

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