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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 446622" data-attributes="member: 6239">I agree that the ranger really earns his share before and after the battle, scouting ahead and tracking enemies.Here is my problem, however.&nbsp; If you picture the &quot;standard&quot; party of characters you have a fighter, rogue, cleric, and wizard.&nbsp; I think we all agree that this is a balanced party suitable for almost any campaign.&nbsp; A party that fits anything.&nbsp; Where does the ranger fit?&nbsp; D&amp;D is supposed to have fighting, and traps, and dialog.&nbsp; Tracking?&nbsp; That doesn't fit my normal definition, though it isn't a strech.&nbsp; Paladin and barbarain replace fighter.&nbsp; Bard can make up for lost rogue, at least for most traps situations.&nbsp; Druid for cleric, sure.&nbsp; Sorcerer for Wizard.Where is the poor ranger?&nbsp; He can't really replace a fighter, since that really isn't what ranger is meant for.&nbsp; Definately not healer.&nbsp; Roguish?&nbsp; Only scouting, not nuts and bolts of dungeons.&nbsp; So where should a ranger fit in &quot;standard&quot; party of 4?Ok, I know there is no such thing as a &quot;standard&quot; party, but there is a point here.&nbsp; If you were going into campaign you knew nothing about, with a DM you haven't even met, what you pick for the 4 characters in the party?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 446622, member: 6239"] I agree that the ranger really earns his share before and after the battle, scouting ahead and tracking enemies. Here is my problem, however. If you picture the "standard" party of characters you have a fighter, rogue, cleric, and wizard. I think we all agree that this is a balanced party suitable for almost any campaign. A party that fits anything. Where does the ranger fit? D&D is supposed to have fighting, and traps, and dialog. Tracking? That doesn't fit my normal definition, though it isn't a strech. Paladin and barbarain replace fighter. Bard can make up for lost rogue, at least for most traps situations. Druid for cleric, sure. Sorcerer for Wizard. Where is the poor ranger? He can't really replace a fighter, since that really isn't what ranger is meant for. Definately not healer. Roguish? Only scouting, not nuts and bolts of dungeons. So where should a ranger fit in "standard" party of 4? Ok, I know there is no such thing as a "standard" party, but there is a point here. If you were going into campaign you knew nothing about, with a DM you haven't even met, what you pick for the 4 characters in the party? [/QUOTE]

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