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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6332778" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Luckily for us, he answered!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Er, no, you didn't get it right, sorry. Fighters <em>can't</em> have any of those things by "focusing on certain gear". You seem to interested solely in the numbers, and that would make sense if we were discussing Champions or M&M, effects-based systems, but we're not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thank you for explaining. I would never have understood "irreducible" to mean that in this context, but whether I agree or not, I now understand what you mean. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All of that may or may not be true (I think it reflects a very 2E and 3.5E view of the Ranger, less so a 1E and 3E one - 4E had every kind of ranger under the sun, including that), but I'm not sure how it makes Ranger the 5th-most important class to the D&D/the D&D canon.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps you could expand on that? I'm not sure I disagree but I'm not sure I understand, either.</p><p></p><p>What I will say is, Ranger is, in my experience, one of the most POPULAR classes in D&D with new players and that DOES make it important. It's nothing to do with being a "Rough Woodsman" IME, if by that you mean some sort of rough-and-tumble Davy Crockett-esque figure, but rather everything to do with being in touch with nature, with animals, and roaming the wilds and so on. Being free and friends with the animals seem to be big deals to a lot of new players (esp. female ones, IME, interestingly).</p><p></p><p>In fact, virtually all the new-to-RPGs players I've come across with D&D over the years wanted to play either Ranger or Wizard, and experienced players seem to often love Ranger too (albeit not as much).</p><p></p><p>Actually, maybe, if we're going with "most core to D&D", I might even put Ranger ahead of Cleric... historically I've seen it be a lot more popular if we disinclude 2E Speciality Priests and Druids. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>(I was making a "most important classes to D&D" list I would have FTR/WIZ drawn at the top, then Rogue, then Ranger, then Cleric, then Bard/Paladin/Druid drawn and <em>very</em> close behind Cleric, then Sorcerer/Warlock, then Barbarian, then Warlord, then Monk, then "All the other classes" - but that's all IME/IMO of course)</p><p></p><p>PS - I have literally never seen a new player give two poops about Ranger tracking, I note. I feel like that is the most over-focused-on element of Rangers, even though it is totally a good fit for their general ethos (modern Ranger-figures like Katniss Everdeen are good at it, fr'ex).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think this is what he meant - it was the phrase "the four core, irreducible classes", i.e. classes are the object of irreducible, with no mention of the game, that threw me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6332778, member: 18"] Luckily for us, he answered! Er, no, you didn't get it right, sorry. Fighters [I]can't[/I] have any of those things by "focusing on certain gear". You seem to interested solely in the numbers, and that would make sense if we were discussing Champions or M&M, effects-based systems, but we're not. Thank you for explaining. I would never have understood "irreducible" to mean that in this context, but whether I agree or not, I now understand what you mean. :) All of that may or may not be true (I think it reflects a very 2E and 3.5E view of the Ranger, less so a 1E and 3E one - 4E had every kind of ranger under the sun, including that), but I'm not sure how it makes Ranger the 5th-most important class to the D&D/the D&D canon. Perhaps you could expand on that? I'm not sure I disagree but I'm not sure I understand, either. What I will say is, Ranger is, in my experience, one of the most POPULAR classes in D&D with new players and that DOES make it important. It's nothing to do with being a "Rough Woodsman" IME, if by that you mean some sort of rough-and-tumble Davy Crockett-esque figure, but rather everything to do with being in touch with nature, with animals, and roaming the wilds and so on. Being free and friends with the animals seem to be big deals to a lot of new players (esp. female ones, IME, interestingly). In fact, virtually all the new-to-RPGs players I've come across with D&D over the years wanted to play either Ranger or Wizard, and experienced players seem to often love Ranger too (albeit not as much). Actually, maybe, if we're going with "most core to D&D", I might even put Ranger ahead of Cleric... historically I've seen it be a lot more popular if we disinclude 2E Speciality Priests and Druids. :) (I was making a "most important classes to D&D" list I would have FTR/WIZ drawn at the top, then Rogue, then Ranger, then Cleric, then Bard/Paladin/Druid drawn and [I]very[/I] close behind Cleric, then Sorcerer/Warlock, then Barbarian, then Warlord, then Monk, then "All the other classes" - but that's all IME/IMO of course) PS - I have literally never seen a new player give two poops about Ranger tracking, I note. I feel like that is the most over-focused-on element of Rangers, even though it is totally a good fit for their general ethos (modern Ranger-figures like Katniss Everdeen are good at it, fr'ex). I think this is what he meant - it was the phrase "the four core, irreducible classes", i.e. classes are the object of irreducible, with no mention of the game, that threw me. [/QUOTE]
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