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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dark Jezter" data-source="post: 1105127" data-attributes="member: 1015">The duelist earning a B+?  I'm curious as to how you came up with that score.  I've run simulation combats involving two different duelists; one that used a high-INT rogue as a base class, and the other that used a dex-based fighter as a base class and had feats like Spring Attack and Weapon Specialization (Rapier).The only really good Duelist ability I found was Elaborate Parry, which could increase the duelist's AC by at least 9 (at the expense of -4 on all attack rolls) if he started fighting defensively.  Canny defense didn't grant a real high AC because you had to give up shields and armor.  Precise strike, by the time you are high-enough level to get it, is only moderately useful (even with precise strike, you won't be inflicting as much damage as a sneak attacking rogue or a pure fighter).  Overall, I found the duelist not as useful as a pure rogue or pure fighter.The Duelist may be a cool concept if you are a fan of movies like The Princess Bride or The Mask of Zorro, but in actual gameplay his usefulness is limited.</blockquote>