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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9238071" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Already correctly ranked. I could see people swapping the first two, but I would agree with your approach here. <em>The Voyage Home</em> is a lovely movie on many levels.</p><p></p><p>Despite being an enormous TNG and DS9-head at the time, I never watched <em>Insurrection</em> or <em>Nemesis</em>, not at the cinema, not on video/DVD, not on streaming, until literally a few months ago.</p><p></p><p>Insurrection was significantly less bad than I expected. It was dumb as hell and the plot had holes you could fly a Borg cube through, holes it held up for your inspection, even, but it was tolerable enough as a sort of extended TNG episode, with memorable characters, a plot you could follow (a bad plot, but one nonetheless), and some fun set-pieces.</p><p></p><p>Nemesis was just dreadful. It felt like awful Kelvin-era Trek had somehow gone back in time and ruined a couple of TNG episodes but not even brought the more modern action sequences with it. Which is interesting because it suggests maybe the time period in which it was made influenced it being completely terrible. It felt like was a very bad ersatz TNG episode, rather than just a forgotten one like Insurrection. Kind of hard to believe that immediately after this, Logan wrote the pretty-decent scripts for The Last Samurai (a ridiculous and Orientalist movie but not a bad one on a dramatic level) and The Aviator. But then it suddenly seems more plausible when you see he also wrote the utterly dire Alien Covenant and the pretty-bad Skyfall and Spectre (along with the usual Bond writing crew). Maybe he just needs to be kept away from SF or SF-adjacent material?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9238071, member: 18"] Already correctly ranked. I could see people swapping the first two, but I would agree with your approach here. [I]The Voyage Home[/I] is a lovely movie on many levels. Despite being an enormous TNG and DS9-head at the time, I never watched [I]Insurrection[/I] or [I]Nemesis[/I], not at the cinema, not on video/DVD, not on streaming, until literally a few months ago. Insurrection was significantly less bad than I expected. It was dumb as hell and the plot had holes you could fly a Borg cube through, holes it held up for your inspection, even, but it was tolerable enough as a sort of extended TNG episode, with memorable characters, a plot you could follow (a bad plot, but one nonetheless), and some fun set-pieces. Nemesis was just dreadful. It felt like awful Kelvin-era Trek had somehow gone back in time and ruined a couple of TNG episodes but not even brought the more modern action sequences with it. Which is interesting because it suggests maybe the time period in which it was made influenced it being completely terrible. It felt like was a very bad ersatz TNG episode, rather than just a forgotten one like Insurrection. Kind of hard to believe that immediately after this, Logan wrote the pretty-decent scripts for The Last Samurai (a ridiculous and Orientalist movie but not a bad one on a dramatic level) and The Aviator. But then it suddenly seems more plausible when you see he also wrote the utterly dire Alien Covenant and the pretty-bad Skyfall and Spectre (along with the usual Bond writing crew). Maybe he just needs to be kept away from SF or SF-adjacent material? [/QUOTE]
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