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<blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1811508" data-attributes="member: 5171">Thief and Rogue are not synonymous, as other people have noted.&nbsp; A bard who picks pockets is a thief.&nbsp; A sorcerer who uses Teleport, Invisibility and Open Lock to break into someone's safe is a thief.&nbsp; A rogue who specializes in tumbling, high-wire acts, diplomacy, and information gathering is not a thief.I agree with you -- it's a good thing you're not in my campaign.&nbsp; If you don't believe that theft is evil in real life, then... well, you say &quot;immoral and rephrehensible&quot;, which is interesting.&nbsp; How is something that is immoral and reprehensible not evil?&nbsp; Are you putting theft on the same scale as, say, cheating on your spouse?&nbsp; I find that immoral and reprehensible, but am unsure as to whether I'd classify it as evil.&nbsp; Possibly a slightly evil action, but not one that in and of itself causes an alignment change.Possibly this is a question of semantics.&nbsp; In my mind, &quot;evil&quot; is not an end value.&nbsp; Evil is the equivalent of a negative sign in front of a number.&nbsp; For example, &quot;Theft for the sake of greed&quot; is a -5, while &quot;Murder&quot; is a -40 or something like that.&nbsp; I don't keep track of the numbers with that level of granularity -- I don't necessarily think that eight thefts equals a murder -- but I think it's possible to think theft is evil without thinking that it's as evil as murder.But yes, I do find theft evil.&nbsp; I've had my stuff stolen, and I don't believe the people who stole it did so because their families were starving.&nbsp; I think they did it because it was easier than working to make spending money, like I was doing.&nbsp; I'm sorry if you find my judgment upon the people who stole my personal possessions to be, uh, judgmental.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="takyris, post: 1811508, member: 5171"] Thief and Rogue are not synonymous, as other people have noted. A bard who picks pockets is a thief. A sorcerer who uses Teleport, Invisibility and Open Lock to break into someone's safe is a thief. A rogue who specializes in tumbling, high-wire acts, diplomacy, and information gathering is not a thief. I agree with you -- it's a good thing you're not in my campaign. If you don't believe that theft is evil in real life, then... well, you say "immoral and rephrehensible", which is interesting. How is something that is immoral and reprehensible not evil? Are you putting theft on the same scale as, say, cheating on your spouse? I find that immoral and reprehensible, but am unsure as to whether I'd classify it as evil. Possibly a slightly evil action, but not one that in and of itself causes an alignment change. Possibly this is a question of semantics. In my mind, "evil" is not an end value. Evil is the equivalent of a negative sign in front of a number. For example, "Theft for the sake of greed" is a -5, while "Murder" is a -40 or something like that. I don't keep track of the numbers with that level of granularity -- I don't necessarily think that eight thefts equals a murder -- but I think it's possible to think theft is evil without thinking that it's as evil as murder. But yes, I do find theft evil. I've had my stuff stolen, and I don't believe the people who stole it did so because their families were starving. I think they did it because it was easier than working to make spending money, like I was doing. I'm sorry if you find my judgment upon the people who stole my personal possessions to be, uh, judgmental. [/QUOTE]

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