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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 1813505" data-attributes="member: 17296">This I like. Stealing from the poor beggar, as exampled above, wasn't evil. Kicking the beggar in the teeth was evil. (Was there a subconcious desire to add real evil in to justify that?)"Those beggars secretly make more money than merchants!"(And if you haven't heard that line before, you should come visit my hometown, it's a commonly held belief)Now, bring the thief to SEE the harm he's caused, and have him not care, that could be evil, at least a little bit. Or a great bit, depending on situation. Sure, if YOU stole it would be evil. You're more developed emotionally. All these people who are arguing about the "eventual harm" done by these thefts have thought about that. This thief hasn't. Scenario:If you had to stopped this morning at the donut store for breakfast, it would have been a great evil. It would have done much harm down the line... due to circumstances you did not see or think about. Would you be evil for stopping? No. Not unless you DID see and think about it. If you knew that events springing from this would lead to the long suffering deaths of several innocents because you wanted that coffee, well, sure, you're evil. How does this relate? That thief *doesn't see*. Amoral and spiritually undeveloped? Sure. Evil? no.Not all laws are evil. And not all laws do this. Some laws are evil, inherently. Some are evil due to lack of forethought and planning. I, personally, IRL tend to be lawful good. As such I notice a lot of the evil inherent in the laws that exist. Because I feel compelled to follow those laws (similiar to other law/chaos good/evil threads that meantion paladins dissatisfaction with existing laws... or even books to similiar effect). It's amusing and frustrating when I point out some of these evils to my more neutral or even chaotically minded friends, and they just say: "Oh, well, I ignore that". Or even worse, I'm thinking of a specific event wherein a person was *for* a certain law which both of us agreed was wrong, and he consistently and blatantly ignored (feeling above the law himself). He didn't think that the law really applied to HIM, he just felt it should exist. Not all laws are about value judgements. Many have other impacts and foci There aree a number of books and treatisies on this subject. Only those laws that are about forcing one person or groups values on another are evil.Edit: Aaargh! Beaten to the reply! ~_^</blockquote>

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