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Ransacking and rummaging rogue - is he evil?
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<blockquote data-quote="Malanath" data-source="post: 1828281" data-attributes="member: 25538"><p><strong>Is it evil?</strong></p><p></p><p>I read most of the posts in this thread and I decided to weigh in with my own thoughts.</p><p></p><p>I believe the Thief (and that's what he is) is playing his character consistently with his alignment and his description of him. What the Thief did was certainly Chaotic Neutral and very borderline evil. However, I still feel that it was within the realm of his alignment.</p><p></p><p>That being said what he did was most certainly a crime. As the DM you could punish him for his actions in many different ways. You could have one of the wealthy people he stole from send out Bounty Hunters after the Thief. You could have the Guards/Police/Investigators somehow link the two murders to the Thief. (Would seem like they were robbed then murdered to them.) It will certainly send a message to the Thief: There are consequences to your actions. It would also inform the Paladin about what is going on and create some interesting inter-party conflict. It might make the Thief reform his ways, or at the very least be more careful and cautious about his habits.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line is to have fun with it. Remember that it is a game and that everyone is there to enjoy it. His actions were certainly morally questionable, but his character by definition is morally questionable as most CN Characters are. </p><p></p><p>Alignment is based off several factors in my opinion: Motive, Intent, and Prospective.</p><p></p><p>I think the person who gets robbed would certainly see the characters actions as evil, but of course they are not looking at it objectively -- they were the victim. However, what about the Thief’s prospective? What was his motive and intent? I see his motive as self-serving and greedy. Trying to make a quick buck. Was his intent to steal to purposefully cause harm? It doesn't sound like it. In fact how it would affect those he stole from likely didn't even cross his mind. (That's why it's a grey area.) From his prospective he simply saw an opportunity and took it. As a Chaotic Neutral Character it is very conceivable that it in no way shape or form was against his morals. He isn't playing a character of upstanding morals. Nor is he playing a character that follows the law. As the DM you have the ability to create a consequence for his actions by having the 'law' find him and allowing the Paladin deal with him on a moral level.</p><p></p><p>Was Robin Hood evil because he stole from the rich to give to the poor? No, he was seen as a hero or antihero. Some might consider him Chaotic Good while others might consider him Chaotic Neutral. Although I am certain that some of the Nobles he stole from saw his actions as reprehensible and morally bankrupt at the very least while the majority of Nobles likely saw him as evil. I'm certain Robin Hood himself as a Chaotic Good person as he saw his actions as doing illegal things (robbing the rich) to help people (giving it to the poor). </p><p></p><p>From the Paladins prospective he'll likely be mortified. He'd likely call it evil. However he has a different set of moral values than does the Thief. If the Paladin preformed these actions then yes, I would consider them evil as they go heavily against his alignment and set of morals. However, considering the characters alignment I think it falls well within the "safe" range. My suggestion is to have fun with it and have someone come seeking retribution against the Thief. It’ll inform the Paladin of what he has been up to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Malanath, post: 1828281, member: 25538"] [b]Is it evil?[/b] I read most of the posts in this thread and I decided to weigh in with my own thoughts. I believe the Thief (and that's what he is) is playing his character consistently with his alignment and his description of him. What the Thief did was certainly Chaotic Neutral and very borderline evil. However, I still feel that it was within the realm of his alignment. That being said what he did was most certainly a crime. As the DM you could punish him for his actions in many different ways. You could have one of the wealthy people he stole from send out Bounty Hunters after the Thief. You could have the Guards/Police/Investigators somehow link the two murders to the Thief. (Would seem like they were robbed then murdered to them.) It will certainly send a message to the Thief: There are consequences to your actions. It would also inform the Paladin about what is going on and create some interesting inter-party conflict. It might make the Thief reform his ways, or at the very least be more careful and cautious about his habits. Bottom line is to have fun with it. Remember that it is a game and that everyone is there to enjoy it. His actions were certainly morally questionable, but his character by definition is morally questionable as most CN Characters are. Alignment is based off several factors in my opinion: Motive, Intent, and Prospective. I think the person who gets robbed would certainly see the characters actions as evil, but of course they are not looking at it objectively -- they were the victim. However, what about the Thief’s prospective? What was his motive and intent? I see his motive as self-serving and greedy. Trying to make a quick buck. Was his intent to steal to purposefully cause harm? It doesn't sound like it. In fact how it would affect those he stole from likely didn't even cross his mind. (That's why it's a grey area.) From his prospective he simply saw an opportunity and took it. As a Chaotic Neutral Character it is very conceivable that it in no way shape or form was against his morals. He isn't playing a character of upstanding morals. Nor is he playing a character that follows the law. As the DM you have the ability to create a consequence for his actions by having the 'law' find him and allowing the Paladin deal with him on a moral level. Was Robin Hood evil because he stole from the rich to give to the poor? No, he was seen as a hero or antihero. Some might consider him Chaotic Good while others might consider him Chaotic Neutral. Although I am certain that some of the Nobles he stole from saw his actions as reprehensible and morally bankrupt at the very least while the majority of Nobles likely saw him as evil. I'm certain Robin Hood himself as a Chaotic Good person as he saw his actions as doing illegal things (robbing the rich) to help people (giving it to the poor). From the Paladins prospective he'll likely be mortified. He'd likely call it evil. However he has a different set of moral values than does the Thief. If the Paladin preformed these actions then yes, I would consider them evil as they go heavily against his alignment and set of morals. However, considering the characters alignment I think it falls well within the "safe" range. My suggestion is to have fun with it and have someone come seeking retribution against the Thief. It’ll inform the Paladin of what he has been up to. [/QUOTE]
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