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Rant -- GM Control, Taking it Too Far?
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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 4647896" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>Sure. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some significant differences. The judge is paid and obligated to be the judge. The judge does not have discretion over who or what they deal with. The judge cannot decide what system of laws to apply or have unfettered discretion in applying laws and making adjudications. There are appeal processes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Eh, I'd disagree here. I've played in games where I've been more into it and taken if more seriously and put more thought into it than the DM and I'd expect I'd make "wiser long term decisions" even given my limited player perspective. </p><p></p><p>The DM runs the game and provides the world and environment the players interact with. This includes things allowed in and excluded. The DM's power is derived from that position, not a superior wisdom position.</p><p> </p><p> Agree.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I think its because of your opinion of what a DM's role is. I disagree with that role so its not surprising I disagree with your conclusion here.</p><p></p><p>I also find this judge analogy off the mark. If the DM were banning X from playing a dragonborn because he doesn't like X that would be closer. I'm having trouble coming up with something analogous to banning dragonborn from a campaign a judge can do based solely on an openly stated personal preference. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Neither of them has to. There is no obligation as either a player or a DM to play a D&D game you don't want to.</p><p></p><p>That's not the immediate response though.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>The immediate response is that choosing things like whether the world has dragonborn is a DM role. Whether a player wants to play one is a player role choice.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't see your distinction between rulings based on campaign theme versus personal preference power. That power is still there when the DM makes rulings based on wise decisions for the good of the campaign. Ultimately both DM and player can walk away if they don't like how things are going for whatever reason. As opposed to a judge and someone engaged before the court.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 4647896, member: 2209"] Sure. :) Some significant differences. The judge is paid and obligated to be the judge. The judge does not have discretion over who or what they deal with. The judge cannot decide what system of laws to apply or have unfettered discretion in applying laws and making adjudications. There are appeal processes. Eh, I'd disagree here. I've played in games where I've been more into it and taken if more seriously and put more thought into it than the DM and I'd expect I'd make "wiser long term decisions" even given my limited player perspective. The DM runs the game and provides the world and environment the players interact with. This includes things allowed in and excluded. The DM's power is derived from that position, not a superior wisdom position. Agree. I think its because of your opinion of what a DM's role is. I disagree with that role so its not surprising I disagree with your conclusion here. I also find this judge analogy off the mark. If the DM were banning X from playing a dragonborn because he doesn't like X that would be closer. I'm having trouble coming up with something analogous to banning dragonborn from a campaign a judge can do based solely on an openly stated personal preference. Neither of them has to. There is no obligation as either a player or a DM to play a D&D game you don't want to. That's not the immediate response though.:) The immediate response is that choosing things like whether the world has dragonborn is a DM role. Whether a player wants to play one is a player role choice. I don't see your distinction between rulings based on campaign theme versus personal preference power. That power is still there when the DM makes rulings based on wise decisions for the good of the campaign. Ultimately both DM and player can walk away if they don't like how things are going for whatever reason. As opposed to a judge and someone engaged before the court.;) [/QUOTE]
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