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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5505207" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>I see that number tossed around a lot, but I don't think it is as extreme as some make it out to be. Remember, those 123 pages are for 30 different books and 30 different issues of Dragon/Dungeon - thats a <em>lot </em>of content to begin with. </p><p> </p><p>Now, of course, the counter-claim is that the PHB itself has a significant amount of errata, 23 pages or so. But keep in mind here - the errata includes not just the change itself, but also an explanation of the change, <em>and </em>a reprinting of the affected feat/power/etc with the new wording. And much of the errata is simply fixing typos or clarifying unclear rules. </p><p> </p><p>In terms of actual changes, if you trim it down to the basics? We're looking at maybe 10 pages of errata for the PHB. Maybe 50 pages of errata in total. For thousands upon thousands of pages of source material. </p><p> </p><p>Now, I can still sympathize with those who find errata in general intrusive. I agree that the ideal would be for everything to be perfect right from the start. But I've never seen a company pull that off, and I'd rather a group that works to fix what is broken rather than leave it untouched. And, as a whole, it doesn't seem too overwhelming an amount of errata to me. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I'm not sure if 'promised' is the right word. But... yeah, that would be awesome. WotC didn't find a viable way to pull it off - if you just put a code in the books, then people can just copy those down and snag those copies for free. If you make sure every book is plastic-wrapped and has the code hidden inside, then gamers can no longer browse the books in game stores... and enterprising individuals will wrip open the plastic and take the codes anyway. </p><p> </p><p>I'm sure there are ways to pull it off - none that were cost or resource acceptable to WotC. That's a shame, but not worth getting <em>angry</em> about. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Yeah, he's just plain wrong. They have new versions that are a bit more badass - but the originals still rock and are perfectly useful. The Draconomicon entries are just fine to use. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>It... never was delivered? From the start of 3.0 through now, WotC has put out a pretty steady volume of books. They've avoided overdosing on setting books, but other content has always been plentiful. And they had plenty of errors or unbalanced material in 3.0 and 3.5 books, they just rarely bothered putting out errata for them. </p><p> </p><p>In fact, the first time WotC has slowed down the release schedule... is right now. They've cancelled upcoming products and specifically said they want to make sure they only produce material that is what the game as a whole needs. They've seen massive delays in their Dragon and Dungeon magazine content because of a rigorous new review process. And they have been largely met with anger and frustration by gamers who <em>want more content</em> and <em>want it now</em>. </p><p> </p><p>I'm not even going to say they made the right call or not - but they actually seem to be doing precisely what you are asking for. So now may not be the time to reward them by boycotting all their products. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>You... are aware of the recent line of D&D board games and the upcoming D&D movie, right? </p><p> </p><p>Anyway, as for your suggestion about how they should structure their digital programs... it is good in theory, but I'm not sure how viable it is to pull it off. I think an approach like you suggest would actually be a good thing in the long run, but I think it would both be difficult to make work, and potentially of less value to WotC if it encourages single purchases over ongoing subscriptions. Hard to say, but either way, I don't think it is a system they can simply deliver at the drop of a hat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5505207, member: 61155"] I see that number tossed around a lot, but I don't think it is as extreme as some make it out to be. Remember, those 123 pages are for 30 different books and 30 different issues of Dragon/Dungeon - thats a [I]lot [/I]of content to begin with. Now, of course, the counter-claim is that the PHB itself has a significant amount of errata, 23 pages or so. But keep in mind here - the errata includes not just the change itself, but also an explanation of the change, [I]and [/I]a reprinting of the affected feat/power/etc with the new wording. And much of the errata is simply fixing typos or clarifying unclear rules. In terms of actual changes, if you trim it down to the basics? We're looking at maybe 10 pages of errata for the PHB. Maybe 50 pages of errata in total. For thousands upon thousands of pages of source material. Now, I can still sympathize with those who find errata in general intrusive. I agree that the ideal would be for everything to be perfect right from the start. But I've never seen a company pull that off, and I'd rather a group that works to fix what is broken rather than leave it untouched. And, as a whole, it doesn't seem too overwhelming an amount of errata to me. I'm not sure if 'promised' is the right word. But... yeah, that would be awesome. WotC didn't find a viable way to pull it off - if you just put a code in the books, then people can just copy those down and snag those copies for free. If you make sure every book is plastic-wrapped and has the code hidden inside, then gamers can no longer browse the books in game stores... and enterprising individuals will wrip open the plastic and take the codes anyway. I'm sure there are ways to pull it off - none that were cost or resource acceptable to WotC. That's a shame, but not worth getting [I]angry[/I] about. Yeah, he's just plain wrong. They have new versions that are a bit more badass - but the originals still rock and are perfectly useful. The Draconomicon entries are just fine to use. It... never was delivered? From the start of 3.0 through now, WotC has put out a pretty steady volume of books. They've avoided overdosing on setting books, but other content has always been plentiful. And they had plenty of errors or unbalanced material in 3.0 and 3.5 books, they just rarely bothered putting out errata for them. In fact, the first time WotC has slowed down the release schedule... is right now. They've cancelled upcoming products and specifically said they want to make sure they only produce material that is what the game as a whole needs. They've seen massive delays in their Dragon and Dungeon magazine content because of a rigorous new review process. And they have been largely met with anger and frustration by gamers who [I]want more content[/I] and [I]want it now[/I]. I'm not even going to say they made the right call or not - but they actually seem to be doing precisely what you are asking for. So now may not be the time to reward them by boycotting all their products. You... are aware of the recent line of D&D board games and the upcoming D&D movie, right? Anyway, as for your suggestion about how they should structure their digital programs... it is good in theory, but I'm not sure how viable it is to pull it off. I think an approach like you suggest would actually be a good thing in the long run, but I think it would both be difficult to make work, and potentially of less value to WotC if it encourages single purchases over ongoing subscriptions. Hard to say, but either way, I don't think it is a system they can simply deliver at the drop of a hat. [/QUOTE]
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