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<blockquote data-quote="JoeGKushner" data-source="post: 3844699" data-attributes="member: 1129"><p>Well, that's the good thing about the internet. YOu can pretty much talk to your hearts content.</p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong, it's not that I want to dislike 4e. Some of the mechanics sound great and it sounds like there is a lot of potential but at the same time I keep getting this feeling that it's a fight between making the game very accessible to a new crowd by chucking out the things that made 3e a complex but more copmlete game and adding a lot of flash which has already caused some feedback based on naming conventions. I see things like points of light and think, "interesting core bit." I then hear that they're invaliding every FR product on the market with a 100 year time skip and other nonsense to bring the game in line with 4e.</p><p></p><p>I hear about some of the interesting mechanics and go, "That sounds interesting," then hear that some... less than standard choices are going to be part of the core rules.</p><p></p><p>I hear that we'll have 4e with 'Classic' Adventures but know that some of the designers don't like adventures that I consider classic (and the official publication listed them as top 30.)</p><p></p><p>I hear that there's going to be a 4e SRD but we've had Orcus mention several times that he hasn't received it, which cuts into the very real possiblity of Necromancer using it in '08 if they have to miss the convention season.</p><p></p><p>I hear lots of nifty things about the game mechanics completely out of context and they sound very interesting, but we don't have a list of core races, classes, etc...</p><p></p><p>I hear that they have playtesting, and well, it's pretty much closed and was done in an amazingly short time.</p><p></p><p>I hear that they have preview books, and no one can explain what's in them that makes them worthy of purchase ranging from fans who like art books to people who say there no game mechanics to one of the WoTC guys admiting that it's not really marketed right as of now.</p><p></p><p>They cancel Dungeon and Dragon magazine knowing for months what's got to be done and the first shots out the door are adequate at best. At best. We've got less than two weeks or so till the end of the month so I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt and hope we'll see a really awesome PDF download for both Dungeon and Dragon, but I wouldn't place any money on it.</p><p></p><p>I've gone from hopeful to full on cynic mode.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JoeGKushner, post: 3844699, member: 1129"] Well, that's the good thing about the internet. YOu can pretty much talk to your hearts content. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I want to dislike 4e. Some of the mechanics sound great and it sounds like there is a lot of potential but at the same time I keep getting this feeling that it's a fight between making the game very accessible to a new crowd by chucking out the things that made 3e a complex but more copmlete game and adding a lot of flash which has already caused some feedback based on naming conventions. I see things like points of light and think, "interesting core bit." I then hear that they're invaliding every FR product on the market with a 100 year time skip and other nonsense to bring the game in line with 4e. I hear about some of the interesting mechanics and go, "That sounds interesting," then hear that some... less than standard choices are going to be part of the core rules. I hear that we'll have 4e with 'Classic' Adventures but know that some of the designers don't like adventures that I consider classic (and the official publication listed them as top 30.) I hear that there's going to be a 4e SRD but we've had Orcus mention several times that he hasn't received it, which cuts into the very real possiblity of Necromancer using it in '08 if they have to miss the convention season. I hear lots of nifty things about the game mechanics completely out of context and they sound very interesting, but we don't have a list of core races, classes, etc... I hear that they have playtesting, and well, it's pretty much closed and was done in an amazingly short time. I hear that they have preview books, and no one can explain what's in them that makes them worthy of purchase ranging from fans who like art books to people who say there no game mechanics to one of the WoTC guys admiting that it's not really marketed right as of now. They cancel Dungeon and Dragon magazine knowing for months what's got to be done and the first shots out the door are adequate at best. At best. We've got less than two weeks or so till the end of the month so I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt and hope we'll see a really awesome PDF download for both Dungeon and Dragon, but I wouldn't place any money on it. I've gone from hopeful to full on cynic mode. [/QUOTE]
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