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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3846023" data-attributes="member: 18280">I think it is pretty clear that WotC didn't want word of 4e to leak before they were ready for their announcement.&nbsp; Others can read the posts and make up their own minds.&nbsp; Your hyperbolic equation of &quot;Wizards lied&quot; to crime, conspiracy, killing JFK, and tinfoil hats is an example of the &quot;argument through ridicule&quot; fallacy (and possibly an &quot;ad hominem&quot; attack).&nbsp; It doesn't help to make your position seem more well-thought-out, IMHO.Really?&nbsp; So if 3e supports movement on both real-world and minis scale, and 4e supports movement on only mini scale (unless, of course, you do the math!), that isn't more minis-centric?&nbsp; If you believe that, we obviously have a difference of opinion.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />Are you fixated on hyperbole and ad hominem attacks?Have the books already, do you?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />Did you miss the part where I said &quot;Obviously, we don't know which books the traditional core of the game will be spread into; this is just a guess for illustration's sake.&quot; or did you simply ignore it because it didn't make your ad hominem attack any easier?Will humans, warforged, or elves appear in the PHB?&nbsp; Or will they also simply appear in the MM in both monster and race format?&nbsp; If the PHB write-up and the MM write-up are the same thing, why would any race need appear in the PHB at all?Again, readers can judge for themselves what they think makes sense, and what they think does not.&nbsp; RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3846023, member: 18280"] I think it is pretty clear that WotC didn't want word of 4e to leak before they were ready for their announcement. Others can read the posts and make up their own minds. Your hyperbolic equation of "Wizards lied" to crime, conspiracy, killing JFK, and tinfoil hats is an example of the "argument through ridicule" fallacy (and possibly an "ad hominem" attack). It doesn't help to make your position seem more well-thought-out, IMHO. Really? So if 3e supports movement on both real-world and minis scale, and 4e supports movement on only mini scale (unless, of course, you do the math!), that isn't more minis-centric? If you believe that, we obviously have a difference of opinion. :lol: Are you fixated on hyperbole and ad hominem attacks? Have the books already, do you? :confused: Did you miss the part where I said "Obviously, we don't know which books the traditional core of the game will be spread into; this is just a guess for illustration's sake." or did you simply ignore it because it didn't make your ad hominem attack any easier? Will humans, warforged, or elves appear in the PHB? Or will they also simply appear in the MM in both monster and race format? If the PHB write-up and the MM write-up are the same thing, why would any race need appear in the PHB at all? Again, readers can judge for themselves what they think makes sense, and what they think does not. RC [/QUOTE]

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