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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3847849" data-attributes="member: 18280">This is true; of course, that is not the sum total of my analysis.&nbsp; Nor is the question whether or not 4e is more mini-centric than 1e.About 50% of what I've seen re: 4e I like; about 50% I do not like.&nbsp; Hate is rather a strong emotion for a game one doesn't have to play.&nbsp; Whether I will like 4e or not remains to be seen.....and is frankly irrelevant to whether or not WotC lied, or whether or not WotC is handling its PR campaign well.I am guessing that you missed Piratecat's post earlier?&nbsp; Please do not tell me what my motives are.I have played every edition of this game from the Holmes Blue Box to the present day.&nbsp; I would really, really like to love 4e.&nbsp; However, I am not happy with the PR campaign thus far.&nbsp; Yes, I would be far happier if WotC said &quot;Yeah, we bent the truth to keep it under wraps, sorry about that&quot; than claiming never to have done so.&nbsp; Or, for that matter, simply not complaining about people being upset because you misled them.&nbsp; To me, claiming to have been upfront while being misleading is insulting....it assumes that you don't have the intelligence to realize that you were being misled.I hope you realize that &quot;they lied&quot; =/= &quot;they are evil&quot;.You will notice also, I hope, that I suggest people examine what evidence there is, and decide for themselves.&nbsp; I'm not the one creating straw men because not everyone believes as I do.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3847849, member: 18280"] This is true; of course, that is not the sum total of my analysis. Nor is the question whether or not 4e is more mini-centric than 1e. About 50% of what I've seen re: 4e I like; about 50% I do not like. Hate is rather a strong emotion for a game one doesn't have to play. Whether I will like 4e or not remains to be seen.....and is frankly irrelevant to whether or not WotC lied, or whether or not WotC is handling its PR campaign well. I am guessing that you missed Piratecat's post earlier? Please do not tell me what my motives are. I have played every edition of this game from the Holmes Blue Box to the present day. I would really, really like to love 4e. However, I am not happy with the PR campaign thus far. Yes, I would be far happier if WotC said "Yeah, we bent the truth to keep it under wraps, sorry about that" than claiming never to have done so. Or, for that matter, simply not complaining about people being upset because you misled them. To me, claiming to have been upfront while being misleading is insulting....it assumes that you don't have the intelligence to realize that you were being misled. I hope you realize that "they lied" =/= "they are evil". You will notice also, I hope, that I suggest people examine what evidence there is, and decide for themselves. I'm not the one creating straw men because not everyone believes as I do. RC [/QUOTE]

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