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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 3854990" data-attributes="member: 4275">So, is your point that 2e to 3e was a bigger jump than 1e to 2e?I agree with that.But there was really only one change between 3e and 3.5 that I'd consider major, and that was the Ranger class.I mean, the list I posted earlier, of just the things that sprang to mind about the 1e-2e differences, had things like entire classes being removed.  That's a bigger change than what happened to the Ranger.And races were removed, which is certainly a bigger change than one of the things you had on your "major change list", which was Gnomes having their favored class changed to Bard.Boy, I know that really forced several PCs in MY game to rework their characters! Or not. You seem to be confused by the fact that because 3e was a huge change, somehow that makes all changes new editions, or all changes not, hence you assertion that if 3e and 3.5 get lumped together, 1e and 2e have to be lumped together.Just because the game changed less between 1e and 2e than it did between 2e and 3e, doesn't mean 2e wasn't a new edition.2e had more wholesale changes over 1e, than 3.5 did over 3e.And again, you mentioned quite a few I'd missed, such as the removal of entire categories of monsters (demons and devils). And yes, that's a more substantive change than the Gnome's favored class getting nerfed, just like the removal of 3 core classes is a bigger change than a few core classes getting nerfed between 3e and 3.5Trying to say we went from 20 years with one edition, to 3 editions in 7 years, is not only intellectually dishonest, but it just muddies the waters of debate.Yes, editions are getting closer together.Yes, that's worth talking about.But no, this isn't 20 years vs. 4 years, its 11 years vs. 8 years. 2e was 1989, 3e was 2000, 4e will be 2008.And I'd also point out, that 3e would have come sooner had TSR not gone into a financial spiral as well. So even 11 years might be statistically misleading. To Veander: No, you didn't have to buy 3.5 and you don't have to buy 4e.Unless someone came to your house with a gun and ordered you to get out your credit card, you could have continued to play 3e.In fact, if more people HAD continued to play 3e, books would have continued to come out that were compatible with it.</blockquote>

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