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<blockquote data-quote="AFGNCAAP" data-source="post: 169697" data-attributes="member: 871"><p>Thanks for the replies... It's nice to see a post of mine stick around for a little bit rather than vanish into the sunset. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Our group has had a break in gaming due to R/L issues, but I've casually started looking elsewhere. At 1 time in the past there was another gaming group that I could have joined, but my g/f didn't enjoy gaming w/ said group, plus the group was quite large as it was--that & the tendency for a few of those players to push others to the side during gameplay kinda did it for me (plus, I wouldn't have had an opportunity to run games, only play---I enjoy running as much as playing). But, that group (from what I know) has dissolved--2 members have moved, as well as 2 members (including 1 of those who moved) have recently become parents. So, in the meantime, I'm casually looking elsewhere.</p><p></p><p>Just to reinterate---I really have no problem w/ unusual characters that can be accomdated through the rules as it is, but other than the uber-powerful combo characters (e.g., 2nd Ed. thri-kreen ranger w/ katanas, etc.), many of these characters can't be made up using the rule sets---they'd either break the rules or require a whole new set of rules to play (I'm not talking minor tweaking either---more in the lines of a complete overhaul), frequently designed without any regard to game mechanics/balance yet a "purity" for concept (this was back in the days before ECL). These characters haven't cropped up in the 3E games (yet), but they have in other games.</p><p></p><p>And, IMHO, what adds insult to injury is that 1 of the players who creates these rules-defying characters is & has been quite infrequent--has a history of not showing though saying otherwise. Basically a whole lot of time & effort spent on something that the GM will have to NPC for the night or have another player play. I'd rather have such infrequent players just pick up & play a pre-gen instead (which shouldn't be a problem at all if they're a good roleplayer).</p><p></p><p>Also, I have no problem at all with characters that are very good at what they're supposed to do--e.g., high-Int Wizards, high-Dex Rogues w/ a melee weapon that can be Weapon Finessed & a bow or crossbow, Fighters w/ high-Str & Con w/ Weapon Focus & other great feats that enhance melee combat ability, a high-Wis & Cha cleric that does all the talking, etc.</p><p></p><p>However, I do have problems w/ characters that don't have a single stat below 14 or 15 (especially now in 3E), who could pretty much best several other characters just w/ class abilities & stats alone, AND just so happens to be played by a player who, "luckily" enough, doesn't really seem to roll low AT ALL---except, of course, whenever I actually look at him roll (then my presence is "cursing" the die roll)--& has a tendency to sit far away from me at the gaming table, or at least where my view of his die rolls is obscured.</p><p></p><p>Needless to say, this player in question has a history of cheating--playfully rolling the die during the game session until he hits a good number, then stops rolling & claims that it's his die roll for when an actual roll is required; using small dice, &/or dice of particular color combos which make them hard to read from a distance; etc.</p><p></p><p>Appreciate all the feedback. Hopefully things will change for the better 1 way or another.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AFGNCAAP, post: 169697, member: 871"] Thanks for the replies... It's nice to see a post of mine stick around for a little bit rather than vanish into the sunset. :) Our group has had a break in gaming due to R/L issues, but I've casually started looking elsewhere. At 1 time in the past there was another gaming group that I could have joined, but my g/f didn't enjoy gaming w/ said group, plus the group was quite large as it was--that & the tendency for a few of those players to push others to the side during gameplay kinda did it for me (plus, I wouldn't have had an opportunity to run games, only play---I enjoy running as much as playing). But, that group (from what I know) has dissolved--2 members have moved, as well as 2 members (including 1 of those who moved) have recently become parents. So, in the meantime, I'm casually looking elsewhere. Just to reinterate---I really have no problem w/ unusual characters that can be accomdated through the rules as it is, but other than the uber-powerful combo characters (e.g., 2nd Ed. thri-kreen ranger w/ katanas, etc.), many of these characters can't be made up using the rule sets---they'd either break the rules or require a whole new set of rules to play (I'm not talking minor tweaking either---more in the lines of a complete overhaul), frequently designed without any regard to game mechanics/balance yet a "purity" for concept (this was back in the days before ECL). These characters haven't cropped up in the 3E games (yet), but they have in other games. And, IMHO, what adds insult to injury is that 1 of the players who creates these rules-defying characters is & has been quite infrequent--has a history of not showing though saying otherwise. Basically a whole lot of time & effort spent on something that the GM will have to NPC for the night or have another player play. I'd rather have such infrequent players just pick up & play a pre-gen instead (which shouldn't be a problem at all if they're a good roleplayer). Also, I have no problem at all with characters that are very good at what they're supposed to do--e.g., high-Int Wizards, high-Dex Rogues w/ a melee weapon that can be Weapon Finessed & a bow or crossbow, Fighters w/ high-Str & Con w/ Weapon Focus & other great feats that enhance melee combat ability, a high-Wis & Cha cleric that does all the talking, etc. However, I do have problems w/ characters that don't have a single stat below 14 or 15 (especially now in 3E), who could pretty much best several other characters just w/ class abilities & stats alone, AND just so happens to be played by a player who, "luckily" enough, doesn't really seem to roll low AT ALL---except, of course, whenever I actually look at him roll (then my presence is "cursing" the die roll)--& has a tendency to sit far away from me at the gaming table, or at least where my view of his die rolls is obscured. Needless to say, this player in question has a history of cheating--playfully rolling the die during the game session until he hits a good number, then stops rolling & claims that it's his die roll for when an actual roll is required; using small dice, &/or dice of particular color combos which make them hard to read from a distance; etc. Appreciate all the feedback. Hopefully things will change for the better 1 way or another. [/QUOTE]
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