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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8684430" data-attributes="member: 23751">:cough: Psionics and Warlords :cough:&nbsp; Those are the big ones that I see.Hopefully this will make you feel at least a bit better. People can and do change over time.Years ago I participated in edition warring against 4e(on the D&amp;D boards when 4e came out).&nbsp; Over time my views shifted and while 4e will never be for me, I don't edition war any longer. Heck, there are even parts of 4e(can't remember the specifics any longer since I don't play it) that I liked.Years ago I would tell people who changed the game too much in my opinion that they weren't playing D&amp;D or suggested that they go play a different game.&nbsp; Over time and because of discussion on the topics, my view changed and now I argue strong against saying those things.Years ago I argued that optimizing wasn't roleplaying.&nbsp; Over time, due to discussions on the topic, my view shifted and now I argue strongly that it is 1) roleplaying and 2) can be mixed with other styles of play.It may not seem like in the moment of these discussions, but people can and do shift views over time.&nbsp; It can be very hard to notice, because rarely will the shift happen and be acknowledged in the middle of the thread.&nbsp; Usually it will happen after the thread has concluded and the person has had time to cool off and think about things.&nbsp; Then the next time it comes up their arguments will have shifted away from the toxic aspects and into a different direction.&nbsp; By the time the new thread happens, though, we are very unlikely to remember their exact position and notice how it has changed, and they probably aren't going to say, &quot;Hey, I was toxic before, but look how my position changed.&quot;&nbsp; Anyway, I hope that helped. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8684430, member: 23751"] :cough: Psionics and Warlords :cough: Those are the big ones that I see. Hopefully this will make you feel at least a bit better. People can and do change over time. Years ago I participated in edition warring against 4e(on the D&D boards when 4e came out). Over time my views shifted and while 4e will never be for me, I don't edition war any longer. Heck, there are even parts of 4e(can't remember the specifics any longer since I don't play it) that I liked. Years ago I would tell people who changed the game too much in my opinion that they weren't playing D&D or suggested that they go play a different game. Over time and because of discussion on the topics, my view changed and now I argue strong against saying those things. Years ago I argued that optimizing wasn't roleplaying. Over time, due to discussions on the topic, my view shifted and now I argue strongly that it is 1) roleplaying and 2) can be mixed with other styles of play. It may not seem like in the moment of these discussions, but people can and do shift views over time. It can be very hard to notice, because rarely will the shift happen and be acknowledged in the middle of the thread. Usually it will happen after the thread has concluded and the person has had time to cool off and think about things. Then the next time it comes up their arguments will have shifted away from the toxic aspects and into a different direction. By the time the new thread happens, though, we are very unlikely to remember their exact position and notice how it has changed, and they probably aren't going to say, "Hey, I was toxic before, but look how my position changed." Anyway, I hope that helped. :) [/QUOTE]

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