Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
[rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Guest 7037866" data-source="post: 9626993"><p>I simply find most player-facing 3PP material to be unbalanced, OP, etc. and more in line with 2024 design than base 2014 for 5E.</p><p></p><p>As for anything 3PP which is a retro-clone, I have no need for it--I will play the old version of D&D.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I just don't need them. I am happy with about 150 core creatures, frankly, and might add up to 50 creatures for one campaign or another which would vary.</p><p></p><p>Take something like the starspawn (?) and sorrow sworn (?). I've never liked either of these types of creatures thematically so I don't use them. I don't need advice on monster tactics as I've been DMing for decades and run things how I already think monsters should be run according to their lore, biology, intelligence, etc.</p><p></p><p>Take the Monster Advice books, for example. Much of the stuff I've seen is pretty basic at one end or completely whacky at the other end. I'm not say either of those are bad, especially for a newer DM who can benefit from advice, or one who likes "whacky" and enjoys the playstyle that creates. I just know it isn't for me. I either don't need it or don't want it.</p><p></p><p>Something I am <em>always</em> on the look out for is a simplified 5E, but anyone who works on something like that is often told "Just use the SRD" or something. I don't see those two things as the same, personally, but I understand it is difficult to nail down the differences. Complexity does not lend to imagination IME, so for stuff like weapon masteries in 2024 it is a needless added level of "stuff" to heap on PCs which already have too many things going on for them IMO.</p><p></p><p>I've mentioned this as an example before: the AD&D (1E) Fighter. I played dozens of fighters over the decades of AD&D in the 80's and 90's, prior to 2E kits, etc. Each one felt very different from all the rest despite the class being the same in each case. The role the fighter had, the weapons and specialization, later the non-weapon proficienies, and of course the race all made for very different play experiences despite the class not changing one bit. There was an elegance to its simplicity which I can appreciate, but for someone (now) raised on 5E, I can justifiably see where it might seem "lack-luster".</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, I know. I am more curious to see how close their research is to saying, "Hey, D&D is the brand, not 5E" and how having smaller departments devoted to creating content for prior editions could be profitable or not.</p><p></p><p>On a personal level I am more disappointed with 2024 and the direction WotC continues to take 5E than it not catering to prior editions. I haven't bought anything from WotC in a few years at least because of that. But I keep reviewing new content when it comes out, and if anything does work for me then I'll get it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 7037866, post: 9626993"] I simply find most player-facing 3PP material to be unbalanced, OP, etc. and more in line with 2024 design than base 2014 for 5E. As for anything 3PP which is a retro-clone, I have no need for it--I will play the old version of D&D. I just don't need them. I am happy with about 150 core creatures, frankly, and might add up to 50 creatures for one campaign or another which would vary. Take something like the starspawn (?) and sorrow sworn (?). I've never liked either of these types of creatures thematically so I don't use them. I don't need advice on monster tactics as I've been DMing for decades and run things how I already think monsters should be run according to their lore, biology, intelligence, etc. Take the Monster Advice books, for example. Much of the stuff I've seen is pretty basic at one end or completely whacky at the other end. I'm not say either of those are bad, especially for a newer DM who can benefit from advice, or one who likes "whacky" and enjoys the playstyle that creates. I just know it isn't for me. I either don't need it or don't want it. Something I am [I]always[/I] on the look out for is a simplified 5E, but anyone who works on something like that is often told "Just use the SRD" or something. I don't see those two things as the same, personally, but I understand it is difficult to nail down the differences. Complexity does not lend to imagination IME, so for stuff like weapon masteries in 2024 it is a needless added level of "stuff" to heap on PCs which already have too many things going on for them IMO. I've mentioned this as an example before: the AD&D (1E) Fighter. I played dozens of fighters over the decades of AD&D in the 80's and 90's, prior to 2E kits, etc. Each one felt very different from all the rest despite the class being the same in each case. The role the fighter had, the weapons and specialization, later the non-weapon proficienies, and of course the race all made for very different play experiences despite the class not changing one bit. There was an elegance to its simplicity which I can appreciate, but for someone (now) raised on 5E, I can justifiably see where it might seem "lack-luster". Oh, I know. I am more curious to see how close their research is to saying, "Hey, D&D is the brand, not 5E" and how having smaller departments devoted to creating content for prior editions could be profitable or not. On a personal level I am more disappointed with 2024 and the direction WotC continues to take 5E than it not catering to prior editions. I haven't bought anything from WotC in a few years at least because of that. But I keep reviewing new content when it comes out, and if anything does work for me then I'll get it. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
[rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
Top