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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 9657844" data-attributes="member: 85555">I get different language can arise. But over time there has been a clear rift here between, for lack of better language, sandbox/trad and narrative/theory driven play (we could use 80 different terms here and they would all probably be wrong). And it is obvious that one rhetorical tactic had been to capture the language used by the sandbox crowd and invert it. You see this in the ‘sandbox is actual just a bunch of railroad’ threads all the time. Also when other style of play actually gone up: I am completely open to them as valid. I never said for example that sandbox play had to be trad. I was completely fine with a variety of approaches in sandbox because I think a big tent is better than a small one. But I think it is fair to push back on theory or language that seems like it is trying to undermine the validity of the styles I enjoy Part of this is the context of the thread. The thread is about how exhausted a poster feels by the perceived conservatism of D&amp;D fans. And part of it is there is valid reason to be defensive. I think a lot of the rhetoric I am complaining about deserves criticism I hope so. I don’t enjoy constantly arguing about this stuff. I think it is unhelpful. But sometimes it is inevitable because a lot of the rhetoric in these threads becomes very provocative, some even veers into sophistry in my opinion, and there is a need to be frank and clear when that happens</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 9657844, member: 85555"] I get different language can arise. But over time there has been a clear rift here between, for lack of better language, sandbox/trad and narrative/theory driven play (we could use 80 different terms here and they would all probably be wrong). And it is obvious that one rhetorical tactic had been to capture the language used by the sandbox crowd and invert it. You see this in the ‘sandbox is actual just a bunch of railroad’ threads all the time. Also when other style of play actually gone up: I am completely open to them as valid. I never said for example that sandbox play had to be trad. I was completely fine with a variety of approaches in sandbox because I think a big tent is better than a small one. But I think it is fair to push back on theory or language that seems like it is trying to undermine the validity of the styles I enjoy Part of this is the context of the thread. The thread is about how exhausted a poster feels by the perceived conservatism of D&D fans. And part of it is there is valid reason to be defensive. I think a lot of the rhetoric I am complaining about deserves criticism I hope so. I don’t enjoy constantly arguing about this stuff. I think it is unhelpful. But sometimes it is inevitable because a lot of the rhetoric in these threads becomes very provocative, some even veers into sophistry in my opinion, and there is a need to be frank and clear when that happens [/QUOTE]

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