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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 9660143" data-attributes="member: 6785785">I'm not operating on the definition of agency within the context of tabletop roleplaying. I'm using the definition of a player and the definition of agency and looking at how any game allows agency. I'm not treating TTRPGs any differently than I would other games. The division as you make it seems to be made solely to maintain the amount of agency you feel one type of game supports. That it's a chosen limit doesn't change that, or make it another type of agency. It simply means that your preferred style of game relies on the chosen amount of agency. Thats not a form of agency... that's cheating. Oh, they're not my words. I took them from an earlier post of Robert's. I'm not speaking poorly of any kind of game. That I think a type of game doesn't have as much player agency as typicaly claimed doesn't mean that there's a problem at all with the game. I've said many times now, I play and run those kinds of games, and I enjoy them. You're perceiving negativity or an agenda on my part simply because I disagree with the side that you agree with rather than on the content of what I'm actually saying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 9660143, member: 6785785"] I'm not operating on the definition of agency within the context of tabletop roleplaying. I'm using the definition of a player and the definition of agency and looking at how any game allows agency. I'm not treating TTRPGs any differently than I would other games. The division as you make it seems to be made solely to maintain the amount of agency you feel one type of game supports. That it's a chosen limit doesn't change that, or make it another type of agency. It simply means that your preferred style of game relies on the chosen amount of agency. Thats not a form of agency... that's cheating. Oh, they're not my words. I took them from an earlier post of Robert's. I'm not speaking poorly of any kind of game. That I think a type of game doesn't have as much player agency as typicaly claimed doesn't mean that there's a problem at all with the game. I've said many times now, I play and run those kinds of games, and I enjoy them. You're perceiving negativity or an agenda on my part simply because I disagree with the side that you agree with rather than on the content of what I'm actually saying. [/QUOTE]

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